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this hope radiates for the masses as my

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anniversary of July 8 1947 the Army Air

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Force of the present arms that are

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flying there has been found and there's

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on the game Jenkin that was

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masses today's Wednesday August 2nd 213

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would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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are the game changer networks @kg are a

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man how you doing tonight tonight we

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have a very special guest with this

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Donna Schmidt is here we're going to

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talk about his new book cover up at

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tribute to Jim Marrs our 700th show

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couldn't have been scheduled or been

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more appropriate and that's what we are

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to have a Jon Rappoport here too as well

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email is Jimmy Jimmy Church radio calm

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yes we do have the very sad news our

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community lost a family member Jim Marrs

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passed away last night at his home in

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Texas he was 73 years young and tomorrow

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night we will celebrate his life and I

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thought about it you know about what you

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know how to handle the show tonight you

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it ain't about all of that tomorrow

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night let's have some fun

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he was an amazing man yes we'll be

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talking about Jim tonight I'll share

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some stories and you know we kind of got

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to do that and that's what we do right

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okay but I spoke to his wife Carol a

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couple of times today and the the

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message is this I mean look Jim was a

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author researcher you know and very few

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people get a chance to go out there and

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change the world well Jim did that and

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and you heard it in his voice and you

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and it forced you to sit up and pay

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attention

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and I have so many memories Rita and I

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and and he was just great right but

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share this before we move on because I

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but I I was I was hosting a panel and he

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it was funny because there were so many

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people there and he started to speak and

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I remember the crowd was murmuring and

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you know talking and stuff and then he

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spoke and you could have heard a pin

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drop right and it I was just watching

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everybody and the rat and it was just

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crazy how that guy had the gift of

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communication the gift right and and and

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he knew that he he had the Hat he had

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the beer he had the glasses he had the

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knowledge and all of that right he was

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the complete package and it was just uh

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one of those moments and I sat back up

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man I need to learn something from this

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guy right and I did and I did Jim Jim

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was the best so with that what I wanted

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to say was I was talking with his wife

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Carol today and and I said you know

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Carol I said why don't you go and get

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one of his beers from the refrigerator

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and she goes Jimmy I'm already on my

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second dose Aki's his favorite beer and

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so to you Jim there's a dose Aki's right

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there and I'm gonna pop this baby open

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here's to you Jim Jim Marrs the best one

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more all right okay

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I needed that all day today you know I'm

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looking at pictures of Jim and just

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reading stuff and si man ah this shocks

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majula he would have been yelling and

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trust me he knows that that people loved

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and adored him and he had his critics

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and but but people listened and he knows

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man he knows were all tripping right now

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and he would I'm serious about this he

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would tell us to nut it up he would he

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would church just do the show man all

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right Jim Marrs would have been 73 Wow

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here we go let's get this show crackin

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shipping with that let's get this show

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crackin happy birthday to today Kevin

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Smith is 47 years old Edward are long

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today is 40 and before you say whatever

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happened Edward Furlong right he is

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really he's been completely active the

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guy is always acting of course you know

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Terminator 2 and

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and his discovery but he was really good

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in a movie called pecker and if you

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haven't seen pecker go see pecker it's

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an absolutely amazing movie

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check out pecker happy birthday Edward

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Furlong our dead guys birthday today Wes

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Craven 1939 and 2015 director who

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introduced us to of course the

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terrifying Freddy Krueger and all of the

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nightmare on elm street series and then

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he redefined the horror genre with his

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semi satirical horror comedy scream

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films he also directed The Hills Have

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Eyes a Last House on the Left

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and red eye I'll tell ya I'll tell you a

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funny story I was at LAX and there's a

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limo driver standing next to me and he's

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holding up a sign that says Wes Craven

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Mulligan Adam and I'm like what are you

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doing holding up a Wes Craven sign you

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know and and people are coming down this

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escalator and they're walking by to go

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and everybody's seen this Wes Craven

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sign and stopping and I watched it went

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from nobody to like a hundred and fifty

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people standing behind this dude I'm not

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making this up and and as they stand

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there Wes Craven is coming down the

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escalator and he's all dressed in black

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by the way black black black black on

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black and he looks at the dude with the

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West Craven sign and he seized a hundred

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and fifty people in the flash you know

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the same autograph and he walks up and

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he was not happy it's like what are you

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doing Oh bad anyway hello know of him

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you think of that on the same history

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OTD 1990 Iraq invades Kuwait yeah in a

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week later on August 9th Operation

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Desert Shield kicks off the American

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defence of Saudi Arabia it began as the

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United States forces started racing to

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the Persian Gulf

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and here we are 27 years later we're

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still there on this day in history fader

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fact in the 19th century the United

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States Supreme Court faced a question

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and the question was for the Supreme

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Court are Tomatoes fruits or vegetables

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they ruled vegetable why back then

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vegetables had a 10% import tax and

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fruits had nothing and that's why right

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that's why tomatoes are called

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vegetables that is a favor fact all

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right tonight very special guests on

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Schmidt is here and his new book cover

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up at Roswell I've got the book right

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here and it's great by the way been

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reading it here it is right there cover

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up at Roswell and it's it's packed

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packed we'll talk about that tonight and

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Roswell and of course I'm sure Don has

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got a few Jim Marrs stories as well

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tomorrow night we're going to do a

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tribute for Jim Marrs

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and we're going to go through and of

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audio sound bytes and we'll do that

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we'll play some highlights of Jim on

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fade to black over the years there's

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been a lot of really classic moments so

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we're going to do that tomorrow night

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and of course take your phone calls and

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here as well okay I wanted to share a

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couple of things that I don't think

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we'll have the time to do tomorrow but

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Jim Marrs and I had a few really cool

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moments lately and he got sick right

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before contact in the desert and he

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couldn't make it to contact and so Peter

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Levin de filled-in

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for Jim and and came out and you know

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that's what friends do we were talking

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about that and at the time it we know

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his kidneys and and dialysis and and so

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forth now Jim had told me a few times

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that you know I might be able to get

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through this and you know and and and

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there's all of that but we were pretty

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bummed out there II contacted the desert

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so I got up for one of the panels and

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and I called Jim live right in front of

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the audience got him on speakerphone

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and he got to hear the crowd yell and

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and yell they did and it was a really

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really cool special moment and I mean he

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was always a we do so many we did so

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many conferences together to have him

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not be there you know it was a bomber

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but but I was able to do that and what I

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wanted to ask if anybody out there

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listening right now has that moment on

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video if you shot it on your cell phone

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send the video to us I would like to

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have a copy of that and I would also

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like to because I don't and I would like

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to be able to play that tomorrow night

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on the show because it was really really

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cool and it was a cool moment and and

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you know and that was just in May right

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we're sitting here on August 2nd right

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so May June July August 3 months you

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according to the United States Supreme

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mark come on something lost in the

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translation between English and

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Australian apparently but I was able to

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do that and so after we got back to LA

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and you know and I had a I was trying to

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talk to Jim as much as I could but I

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knew that he was doing the dialysis and

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and and what what does

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volved with that you know I just didn't

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want to feel like I was bothering but I

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couldn't help myself I was calling him

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constantly and then this happened last

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week I get this text and and I'm driving

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in the car and my tan you know and and

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you know you're not supposed to don't

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text and drive but I looked at my phone

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and it says Jim Marrs passed away today

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and I freaked right and I am media

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window so I called Jim and he picks up

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Jim are speaking I said you're alive he

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goes yes are you and I said well I'm

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driving my car I hope I am because I

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hope you are too and we and we just

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laughed about it and there you go you

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know and so at least you know I was able

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to for all of his you know just to get

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him back on the phone and and just to

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say hello because I freaked and and I

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didn't expect that today was here he

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sounded fine he was cheerful and an

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upbeat you know I today just caught us

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all by surprise and so there you go okay

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all right we'll talk about more about

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Jim later because there's a couple of

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other things that he would definitely

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enjoy the news about and one of them it

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got released yesterday and NASA has a

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top tier job an opening right now you

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can apply for it for a planetary

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protection officer a PPO they're calling

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it a planetary protection officer a

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position you've likely never heard of

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and that you might at first glance it

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sounds like a joke but the position

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however dates back to the Outer Space

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Treaty of 1967 and NASA is one of just

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two space agencies to have a full-time

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position dedicated to the role of a PPO

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so what does a PPO actually do here's

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how NASA's job posting describes the

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position which pays by the way

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between one hundred and twenty four

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thousand four hundred to one hundred and

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eighty seven thousand dollars per year

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one hundred and eighty seven thousand

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dollars per year the planetary

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protection is concerned with the

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avoidance of organic constituent and

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biological contamination in human and

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robotic space exploration NASA maintains

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policies for planetary protection

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applicable to all spaceflight missions

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that may intentionally or

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unintentionally carry earth organisms

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and organic constituents to the planets

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or other solar system bodies and any

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mission employing spacecraft which are

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intended to return to Earth and its

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biosphere with samples from

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extraterrestrial targets of exploration

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this policy is based on federal

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requirements and international treaties

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and agreements in other words the PPO

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make certain that the earth is not

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contaminated by extraterrestrial

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life-forms that may arrive via a

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meteorite or by deliberately bringing

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something back to earth for further

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analysis and at the same time it ensures

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that the vehicles and the satellites we

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send off planet are as clean as possible

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to limit the chance of introducing our

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own life-forms into the ecosystem of

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another planet

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now this NASA job offer comes on the

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heels of a pretty remarkable year of et

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announcements the ones that I do every

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single day on this show it's all I do is

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talk about this ok first came the

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suggestion remember this last year and

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that an alien mega-structure had been

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observed around kic for 86

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28:52 otherwise known as heavy star

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months later people were talking about a

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signal by a Russian telescope that some

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thought was transmitted from another

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stellar star cousin of our Sun and then

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not long after that now if you remember

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those FS bees were coming in and and

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they still are and it seems like every

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other day there's another FSB without

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exaggeration being heard and and

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listened to from somewhere out there

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those have not stopped and we haven't

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been able to figure that out and then

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not long ago the Arecibo antenna and

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Puerto Rico reported weird signals that

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seemed to come from the dwarf star Ross

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1:28 which is you know it's pretty close

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actually it's 11 light-years away so you

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have to ask yourself what preparations

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are in place to deal with the discovery

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of a radial signal or a laser flash or

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some biological entity that not an EBE

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but how about something microbial that

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would be brought back here hence the PPO

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you know so that's part of a plan in

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place with a PPO a staff officer to deal

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with this but what else is out there

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going on because when we have the alien

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mega-structure out at a B star we have

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all of these FS B's that are coming in

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we have the discovery of exoplanets

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every single day there's another one

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that's added to the list if not more

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right we have the Arecibo discoveries

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that are going on right now so you have

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to get a wonder you know what would the

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talk of laser flashes lately is kind of

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tripping me out who who has seen a laser

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flash somebody has that my point being

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somebody on this planet somewhere has

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seen something laser like come from

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somewhere out there because I've never

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heard discussion of laser flashes like

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what I've heard over the last three

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weeks so something is going on there too

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so what's the plan

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I really want to know a lot of people

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think there is a plan you know I think

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there's a secret one does the government

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have a plan you know if if we got some

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kind of laser flash some crazy contact

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the film radio contact that something

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that was definitive that not for us

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because we know that there's life out

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there we we know this but but for the

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rest of the world that definitive beyond

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the doubt moment that there is life out

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there does the government have a plan

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does anyone a recent survey indicated

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that 55% of the population figure that

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the discovery of extraterrestrials will

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be squelched deep-sixed that's right why

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to prevent widespread panic only 19

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percent believe the feds would fess up

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to ETS existed now I want to know who

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those 19 percent ours are by the way

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back in 1989 check this out when a

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now-defunct NASA program to search for

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the extraterrestrial intelligence will

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starting to gain steam protocols were

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drafted to spell out the best practices

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in case et contacted us now I've read

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the two-page document ok I should post

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it up for everybody and there are really

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only three important components in the

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protocol text 3 first the detection of

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alien life should be carefully verified

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by repeated observations now we have to

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look at that statement and why that

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there is a concern there if it gets

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discovered if something comes in there

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are going to be dozens if not hundreds

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of confirmation coming from around the

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world both professional and amateur it

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will be everybody will be all over it

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it's not going to be some big secret

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it's not going to be able to be to be

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kept from the public ok so

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that carefully verified statement that

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they have in the protocols it is going

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to be verified no matter what it is

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there is it's just going to come in

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second that they say in the document in

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the protocols that the discovery should

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be publicized they think we should go

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public with it out of the gate verify it

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verify it even if it takes ten minutes

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literally verify boom get it out there

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the third point in this are you ready

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the third point is no response should be

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sent responding to the signal should be

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sent back no reply without international

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consultation what they don't want

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apparently is somebody out there that

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may not know what they're doing or know

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what they are saying to turn around and

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immediately do a reply now what that

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says to me is this when you say

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something look at the opposite I say it

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all the time flipping over 180 degrees

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it seems to me that with the fast radio

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bursts with the exoplanets with what's

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going on at Arecibo and these comments

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about laser and laser flashes and the

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alien mega-structure and the Dyson

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Sphere all of this talk is commonplace

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so what is it there is something going

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on a mark my words I feel that something

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is going on and it's about to break out

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I am NOT going out of the conspiracy

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bandwagon I don't want to be that guy

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that's broadcasting from a mountaintop

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with a little secret radio antenna it is

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all paranoid living in a in a motor home

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now that's not where I'm coming from

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here we've never had discussions like

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this before in human history

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something is about to break and it's

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about to break right now

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and the other thing it's going back to

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Jim Marrs of all the guys out there that

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that talked about conspiracies and that

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did the research and got it done right

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man left this earth today and it's about

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to break out so is he going to miss it

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this is the other point this is where I

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want to wrap up and I'm going to get

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down in here to talk about what is

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really going on out there the one guy

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that knows right now his name is Jim

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Marrs so Jim I know you're listening I

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know you are give us a sign tweet

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somebody just said in Twitter I thought

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as a went by make Jimmy's show crash

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three times tonight let us know you're

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listening

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this is fade to black Don Schmidt is

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here his new book right here cover-up at

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Roswell we'll be discussing this and a

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whole lot more this is paid to block the

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game changer Network and K GRA the

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planet are males Timmy church I'll be

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right back with Donna Schmidt stay with

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[Music]

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hi this is Rob Reiner from amel and

581
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you're listening to Jimmy huge radio

582
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calm what's up I'm Chris what happens in

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combat and we're listening the Shamy

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[Music]

586
00:31:36,750 --> 00:31:34,830
all right welcome back fade to black our

587
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murals Jimmy Church I'm the game changer

588
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Network and K GRA the planets you can

589
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follow me on twitter @jj radio email is

590
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Jimmy and Jimmy Church radio calm very

591
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simple get it done our guest tonight Don

592
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:52,540
Smith he is the former co-director of

593
00:31:57,420 --> 00:31:55,690
the J Allen Hynek Center for UFO studies

594
00:32:00,060 --> 00:31:57,430
in Chicago where he served as director

595
00:32:02,790 --> 00:32:00,070
of Special Investigations for ten years

596
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:02,800
prior to that time he was a special

597
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:04,510
investigator for the late dr. J Allen

598
00:32:10,110 --> 00:32:06,880
Hynek and the art director for the

599
00:32:12,990 --> 00:32:10,120
International UFO reported she graduated

600
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:13,000
from MATC with a degree in commercial

601
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:14,970
art and graduated [\h__\h] laude from

602
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:17,530
Concordia University with a degree in

603
00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:18,850
liberal arts

604
00:32:23,550 --> 00:32:20,950
he is currently taking graduate courses

605
00:32:29,010 --> 00:32:23,560
in criminal justice and he also has a

606
00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:29,020
very very fine hair salon also more on

607
00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:31,180
that in just a bit he and Tom Carey his

608
00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:32,500
partner of 18 years have already

609
00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:34,270
outlined their next writing

610
00:32:38,550 --> 00:32:36,160
collaboration on the Roswell incident of

611
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:38,560
1947 he's the author of hundreds of

612
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:40,330
articles about UFOs as well as the

613
00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:42,310
co-author of five best-selling books the

614
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:44,740
UFO crash at Roswell the truth about the

615
00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:47,710
UFO crash at Roswell witness to Roswell

616
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:50,200
witnessed to Roswell revised edition and

617
00:32:55,470 --> 00:32:53,110
inside the real area 51 the secret

618
00:32:59,340 --> 00:32:55,480
history of wright-patterson his new book

619
00:33:00,960 --> 00:32:59,350
is the cover-up at Roswell I'm holding

620
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:00,970
it here for the cameras for everybody

621
00:33:07,230 --> 00:33:04,720
without Tom Carrie that side let's let's

622
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:07,240
ask Don about that one hey Tom good

623
00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:10,090
evening my friend had to bring up the

624
00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:12,700
hair yeah what you know I had to you

625
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:14,470
know when it when when I got the book

626
00:33:19,890 --> 00:33:17,710
and and I was so excited you and I went

627
00:33:21,810 --> 00:33:19,900
back and forth I needed the book right I

628
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:21,820
needed the butter and I got the book and

629
00:33:28,290 --> 00:33:25,690
there's no Tom Carrie so uh real quick

630
00:33:30,450 --> 00:33:28,300
can you address that what happened well

631
00:33:33,090 --> 00:33:30,460
you guys didn't get divorced or anything

632
00:33:35,670 --> 00:33:33,100
did you no no no no not at all in fact

633
00:33:40,020 --> 00:33:35,680
we're working on another book as we

634
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,030
speak but when the proposal was made to

635
00:33:44,340 --> 00:33:42,640
our editor for doing another book and

636
00:33:45,239 --> 00:33:44,350
especially leading up to the 70th

637
00:33:51,659 --> 00:33:45,249
anniversary

638
00:33:55,060 --> 00:33:51,669
the the time Allah who was a little mmm

639
00:33:57,399 --> 00:33:55,070
beyond the pale as far as Tom and he

640
00:34:00,489 --> 00:33:57,409
just didn't feel we could you know do a

641
00:34:03,580 --> 00:34:00,499
justice and I merely stepped in and says

642
00:34:05,769 --> 00:34:03,590
well then I'll do it by myself and the

643
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:05,779
the main reason my dad had just passed

644
00:34:10,539 --> 00:34:08,240
away right and I thought you know damn

645
00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:10,549
it I'll do it for my dad right so yeah

646
00:34:12,909 --> 00:34:12,200
and I'm not going to ask him to help me

647
00:34:15,369 --> 00:34:12,919
do it

648
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:15,379
but just to keep me you know focused and

649
00:34:21,609 --> 00:34:19,280
keep me awake at night and keep my wife

650
00:34:23,379 --> 00:34:21,619
understanding that two o'clock in the

651
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:23,389
morning and I'm still in my office you

652
00:34:28,839 --> 00:34:26,000
know typing away right and I met my

653
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:28,849
deadline and there it is well I had

654
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:32,450
commented to you and and I and I meant

655
00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:35,569
it as a compliment but I didn't realize

656
00:34:40,089 --> 00:34:37,369
about the time constraints but my

657
00:34:44,139 --> 00:34:40,099
comment to you was that this reads

658
00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:44,149
better to me than some of your previous

659
00:34:51,399 --> 00:34:47,270
stuff in that it just gets to the point

660
00:34:55,299 --> 00:34:51,409
there's no fluff here yes yes and I take

661
00:34:59,859 --> 00:34:55,309
that as a compliment and so often the

662
00:35:01,299 --> 00:34:59,869
very art of co-authoring a book it can

663
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:01,309
become at times

664
00:35:09,789 --> 00:35:06,410
repetitious you can you tend to overlap

665
00:35:13,450 --> 00:35:09,799
in detail that there's no need if it's

666
00:35:17,170 --> 00:35:13,460
if it's impact is is forceful enough you

667
00:35:19,450 --> 00:35:17,180
don't need to repeat something and here

668
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:19,460
you know there's that the constant flow

669
00:35:26,589 --> 00:35:24,710
of information and so I I really

670
00:35:29,380 --> 00:35:26,599
relished you know the opportunity to

671
00:35:33,549 --> 00:35:29,390
actually sit down and put this together

672
00:35:36,130 --> 00:35:33,559
and I even had my editor complement me

673
00:35:39,220 --> 00:35:36,140
immediately once it was submitted and

674
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:39,230
said that they pretty much you know

675
00:35:43,150 --> 00:35:40,730
agreed with what you just said Jimmy

676
00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:43,160
that they felt it was one of the better

677
00:35:48,370 --> 00:35:45,980
books yeah that they received right

678
00:35:50,980 --> 00:35:48,380
right I like to I like to get to the

679
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:50,990
point right and that's exactly what the

680
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:54,079
book does and it doesn't stop right it's

681
00:35:59,839 --> 00:35:56,839
just doosh doosh doosh now we'll be

682
00:36:05,069 --> 00:35:59,849
discussing the book all night but

683
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:05,079
if we just we lost a dear friend if your

684
00:36:13,819 --> 00:36:10,930
Mars last night and the three of us you

685
00:36:17,279 --> 00:36:13,829
myself and Jim have hung out a few times

686
00:36:21,150 --> 00:36:17,289
and they and we can talk about that but

687
00:36:24,569 --> 00:36:21,160
that's not the point the point is he's

688
00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:24,579
gone right and it it's just kind of hit

689
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,190
all of us but when you got the news

690
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:29,680
today and unfortunately it was me that

691
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:32,170
did that and you know I thought that you

692
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:36,609
knew I knew he was ailing and I had sent

693
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:40,750
him a number of get well wishes and all

694
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:42,970
was the response that you know I'm going

695
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:48,000
to beat this that you know I'm not as

696
00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:51,910
close to death's door as some people

697
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:55,630
would wish me to be or would believe I

698
00:37:02,309 --> 00:36:59,440
was but that he just I never gave it

699
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,319
another thought that we'd be you know

700
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,720
sitting here this evening talking about

701
00:37:08,309 --> 00:37:06,160
you know his passing

702
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:08,319
yeah it's raising them what went and and

703
00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:11,049
and his friendship and and his research

704
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:13,950
what did we did how did it impact you

705
00:37:21,390 --> 00:37:17,770
well I always appreciate the fact that

706
00:37:24,839 --> 00:37:21,400
for example when he he penned his his

707
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:24,849
best-selling book alien agenda that he

708
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:27,250
did a whole section on Roswell

709
00:37:33,779 --> 00:37:30,910
and he sourced and attributed the whole

710
00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:33,789
thing to Kevin Randle my partner at that

711
00:37:38,970 --> 00:37:35,190
time and myself

712
00:37:41,730 --> 00:37:38,980
so unlike so many others that they use

713
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:41,740
your material they they claim it as

714
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:45,520
their own they don't attribute it to its

715
00:37:51,779 --> 00:37:50,079
source of origin and you know the Jim

716
00:37:55,410 --> 00:37:51,789
was a consummate professional in that

717
00:37:57,809 --> 00:37:55,420
regard that he wasn't he wasn't afraid

718
00:38:01,950 --> 00:37:57,819
to share the glory so to speak and he

719
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:01,960
was able to you know point out that we

720
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:05,650
were the the very source of the

721
00:38:10,109 --> 00:38:08,079
information that he he contained in his

722
00:38:12,539 --> 00:38:10,119
book and we were flattered by the fact

723
00:38:15,779 --> 00:38:12,549
that you know he selected our material

724
00:38:17,669 --> 00:38:15,789
to include in his book and I don't think

725
00:38:20,249 --> 00:38:17,679
most most of your listeners are aware

726
00:38:22,709 --> 00:38:20,259
the fact that the gym started out as a

727
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:22,719
cub reporter with the Fort Worth

728
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:23,890
star-telegram

729
00:38:31,620 --> 00:38:27,369
but write down you know in the Fort

730
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:31,630
Worth Dallas area and that specific

731
00:38:37,579 --> 00:38:34,569
newspaper was very much involved with

732
00:38:41,429 --> 00:38:37,589
the weather balloon cover story

733
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:41,439
regarding Roswell the photographs that

734
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:45,130
you know that we've all seen of the

735
00:38:50,099 --> 00:38:47,529
famous weather balloon and in general

736
00:38:53,669 --> 00:38:50,109
Raimi's office and major Jesse Marcel

737
00:38:56,249 --> 00:38:53,679
the Intel officer from Roswell posing

738
00:38:58,559 --> 00:38:56,259
with the balloon with a radar reflector

739
00:39:01,859 --> 00:38:58,569
kite on the floor well four of those

740
00:39:06,569 --> 00:39:01,869
pictures were taken by James B Johnson

741
00:39:08,009 --> 00:39:06,579
from that very newspaper so you know

742
00:39:11,009 --> 00:39:08,019
they were you know hot on the trail

743
00:39:14,359 --> 00:39:11,019
hoping to you know break the story that

744
00:39:17,099 --> 00:39:14,369
Roswell was essentially shut out from

745
00:39:20,789 --> 00:39:17,109
because they shifted all attention from

746
00:39:24,359 --> 00:39:20,799
Roswell over to Fort Worth and for then

747
00:39:26,759 --> 00:39:24,369
for Jim two years later start working at

748
00:39:29,489 --> 00:39:26,769
that very paper and he immediately

749
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:29,499
contacted us that yeah I'm talking to

750
00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:31,689
these these senior reporters and they're

751
00:39:36,359 --> 00:39:33,400
telling me that you know they were

752
00:39:39,089 --> 00:39:36,369
around back then and the balloon story

753
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:39,099
was a big cover-up it was nonsense it

754
00:39:45,140 --> 00:39:41,529
had nothing to do with the reality of

755
00:39:48,779 --> 00:39:45,150
the case and Jim helped us try to find a

756
00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:48,789
mortician who we had a lead from a

757
00:39:54,479 --> 00:39:51,400
military source from Roswell who

758
00:39:57,779 --> 00:39:54,489
happened to be you know waiting on the

759
00:40:01,919 --> 00:39:57,789
tarmac when this crate came in on July

760
00:40:05,370 --> 00:40:01,929
9th from Roswell and and Jim help is

761
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,380
with that link to the whole story but

762
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:07,839
then more importantly the fact that he

763
00:40:11,819 --> 00:40:09,729
was talking to these reporters and they

764
00:40:14,549 --> 00:40:11,829
were encouraging him to encourage us

765
00:40:18,419 --> 00:40:14,559
that no the balloon was not the answer

766
00:40:20,839 --> 00:40:18,429
it was not the truth and again coming

767
00:40:23,489 --> 00:40:20,849
from someone of Jim Mars you know

768
00:40:26,140 --> 00:40:23,499
reputation right you know only fuel

769
00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:26,150
fired us up all the more that it

770
00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:28,190
good enough for Jim then there must be

771
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,369
something to it and and if Jim gets on

772
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:33,680
your trail you know and I've said this

773
00:40:41,170 --> 00:40:37,490
to us too but Betty time I don't want

774
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,180
you investigating me right I did it's

775
00:40:46,539 --> 00:40:43,520
not going to end well right and so he is

776
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:46,549
not going to stop he smelled something

777
00:40:53,289 --> 00:40:50,049
funky with Roswell and and he knew and

778
00:40:57,870 --> 00:40:53,299
his reputation as a writer in a journal

779
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:57,880
it is a p.i background right he had a

780
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,520
security clearance he knew how to sniff

781
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:03,440
something out and and he went straight

782
00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:06,910
after it didn't he he was a bulldog and

783
00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:11,740
he didn't take any guff from anybody and

784
00:41:16,660 --> 00:41:14,390
where so many others would have

785
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:16,670
immediately become paranoid and back

786
00:41:22,809 --> 00:41:19,730
down because my god you know I'm really

787
00:41:24,819 --> 00:41:22,819
pushing City Hall I'm you know pointing

788
00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:24,829
the finger right at them and saying you

789
00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:27,950
lie you you know us Oh bees you knew you

790
00:41:35,620 --> 00:41:29,750
are not telling us the truth about this

791
00:41:38,740 --> 00:41:35,630
or that and you know many a stronger man

792
00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:38,750
would have you know couched you know

793
00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:43,369
such accusations and cries of corruption

794
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:45,470
long before Jim ever backed out and the

795
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:48,319
point is that even up till the very end

796
00:41:54,130 --> 00:41:51,920
in the face of you know his his illness

797
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:54,140
he was still not backing down he was

798
00:41:59,170 --> 00:41:56,450
still looking forward to you know the

799
00:42:04,480 --> 00:41:59,180
next war the next battle so to speak he

800
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:04,490
I think people also lose sight of you

801
00:42:11,099 --> 00:42:08,569
know the when it came to JFK we look to

802
00:42:15,010 --> 00:42:11,109
him as one of the authorities but we

803
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:15,020
lose sight of the fact that it's a crazy

804
00:42:23,620 --> 00:42:18,529
thought but that film Oliver Stone all

805
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:23,630
of that was based on Jim Marrs and of

806
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:26,329
fire is look yes yeah and and and we

807
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:29,690
kind of lose sight of his research and

808
00:42:37,299 --> 00:42:34,730
his influence because JFK went from I'm

809
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:37,309
talking about the film it took that

810
00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:39,530
little our little conspiracy

811
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:42,020
yeah Jim was a New York Times best

812
00:42:47,970 --> 00:42:44,330
seller but he was still part of this

813
00:42:52,540 --> 00:42:47,980
little community of ours right and and

814
00:42:55,830 --> 00:42:52,550
JFK the film with Oliver Stone blew that

815
00:42:59,320 --> 00:42:55,840
whole thing our little community

816
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:59,330
worldwide and it made it a worldwide

817
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:02,480
topic to talk about but that was because

818
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:04,970
of Jim Marrs we can only love Jim Marrs

819
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:07,850
a hundred I could not agree more and we

820
00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:10,250
lose sight of it we it's because he's so

821
00:43:16,690 --> 00:43:13,430
close to beat up with that guy guy and

822
00:43:18,490 --> 00:43:16,700
rocket won't Jim for the thousands and

823
00:43:21,850 --> 00:43:18,500
there are literally thousands of books

824
00:43:24,580 --> 00:43:21,860
on the Kennedy assassination Jim's was

825
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:24,590
the first book and then in having

826
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:28,310
discussions with him afterwards when you

827
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:31,970
look at the Zapruder film and you see

828
00:43:38,290 --> 00:43:34,970
all the people across the street who

829
00:43:41,290 --> 00:43:38,300
also had cameras but everyone was always

830
00:43:43,060 --> 00:43:41,300
focused on Abraham's of bruders you know

831
00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:43,070
film of that fatal head shot

832
00:43:47,860 --> 00:43:45,470
well what about all those other people

833
00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:47,870
who are filming it from the other side

834
00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:50,300
of the street and Jim was the first one

835
00:43:55,810 --> 00:43:53,030
actually be on the FBI beyond the Warren

836
00:43:57,370 --> 00:43:55,820
Commission when tracked all those people

837
00:44:00,040 --> 00:43:57,380
don't talk to every one of them and

838
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:00,050
found out how one after the other their

839
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:02,570
cameras were confiscated that's that you

840
00:44:05,740 --> 00:44:04,490
know the authorities immediately ran up

841
00:44:07,570 --> 00:44:05,750
to each and every one of them and

842
00:44:09,790 --> 00:44:07,580
snatched the cameras out of their hands

843
00:44:11,980 --> 00:44:09,800
but then Jim still was able to interview

844
00:44:14,830 --> 00:44:11,990
them and well what did you see what did

845
00:44:17,260 --> 00:44:14,840
you see from your vantage point and the

846
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:17,270
consistency one after another and that's

847
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:20,690
again what a great journalist a great

848
00:44:26,830 --> 00:44:23,690
reporter used to do they may not do it

849
00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:26,840
any longer and they certainly don't do

850
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:29,630
it within the field of UFOs because now

851
00:44:33,250 --> 00:44:31,250
it's just a matter of just sitting at

852
00:44:35,370 --> 00:44:33,260
your computer after night after night

853
00:44:37,930 --> 00:44:35,380
and trying to solve the whole mystery as

854
00:44:40,090 --> 00:44:37,940
opposed to actually being out in the

855
00:44:42,430 --> 00:44:40,100
trenches and out in the field and in

856
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:42,440
talking to the people who were there

857
00:44:48,010 --> 00:44:44,810
firsthand who witness who saw who

858
00:44:49,810 --> 00:44:48,020
handled things and you know it's just

859
00:44:53,170 --> 00:44:49,820
another example of where we've lost

860
00:44:53,470 --> 00:44:53,180
someone who was shining the light on how

861
00:44:55,450 --> 00:44:53,480
it

862
00:44:58,030 --> 00:44:55,460
to be done how we should be all out

863
00:45:01,120 --> 00:44:58,040
there you know digging up the story

864
00:45:04,060 --> 00:45:01,130
because it's there it's there for all of

865
00:45:06,460 --> 00:45:04,070
us to see we just have to be willing and

866
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:06,470
brave enough to look at it

867
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:09,890
stare it down and say ah now I get it

868
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:12,170
now I see the truth and I'll tell you

869
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:13,119
something else

870
00:45:19,090 --> 00:45:16,880
the thing about Jim and then we'll well

871
00:45:23,230 --> 00:45:19,100
we can move on or not it doesn't matter

872
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:23,240
but the one thing about that guy was he

873
00:45:27,940 --> 00:45:26,930
was the complete package and I'm in it

874
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:27,950
like this

875
00:45:35,530 --> 00:45:32,000
he had the fedora right he had the beard

876
00:45:38,530 --> 00:45:35,540
he had the glasses he had the face he

877
00:45:41,470 --> 00:45:38,540
had the voice he had the intelligence he

878
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:41,480
had the ability to communicate he had

879
00:45:49,150 --> 00:45:45,050
the ability to write he made his world

880
00:45:50,590 --> 00:45:49,160
his brain legible and approachable he

881
00:45:54,430 --> 00:45:50,600
could command an audience

882
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:54,440
he looked non offensive you know you

883
00:45:59,710 --> 00:45:56,090
know what I mean he had that he was the

884
00:46:03,370 --> 00:45:59,720
complete package that and that that's a

885
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:03,380
rare thing that's a rare thing and as it

886
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:06,470
could be said of certain people in the

887
00:46:11,230 --> 00:46:08,570
past they would like Johnny cars would

888
00:46:13,690 --> 00:46:11,240
talk about like Richard Burton that he

889
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:13,700
could read the phonebook right and draw

890
00:46:18,820 --> 00:46:16,130
an audience right I think we both would

891
00:46:20,740 --> 00:46:18,830
agree I think Jim Marrs could have read

892
00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:20,750
most anything and he would have

893
00:46:25,420 --> 00:46:23,660
commanded an audience man I'm going to

894
00:46:29,530 --> 00:46:25,430
miss that guy I miss him already

895
00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:29,540
I'm bummed out yeah yeah complete drag

896
00:46:36,849 --> 00:46:34,790
but and and and and I do mean this if he

897
00:46:41,230 --> 00:46:36,859
well he's probably listening right now

898
00:46:44,170 --> 00:46:41,240
and he probably is but if if he had the

899
00:46:46,540 --> 00:46:44,180
ability to reach out and slap you and I

900
00:46:50,620 --> 00:46:46,550
right now for being bummed out he would

901
00:46:54,730 --> 00:46:50,630
he would howl opposite and Beck's lapis

902
00:46:57,730 --> 00:46:54,740
because he would not he he wouldn't he

903
00:47:00,760 --> 00:46:57,740
would swear like a sailor and and tell

904
00:47:02,020 --> 00:47:00,770
us to grow up and and life goes on and

905
00:47:05,099 --> 00:47:02,030
you don't let this is the other thing

906
00:47:07,079 --> 00:47:05,109
right now dude is he's on the other side

907
00:47:09,509 --> 00:47:07,089
figuring it all

908
00:47:12,690 --> 00:47:09,519
out yeah getting all the answers yeah I

909
00:47:14,849 --> 00:47:12,700
am like a Kevin Randle said on his blog

910
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:14,859
this evening when we'd love to see what

911
00:47:24,180 --> 00:47:21,130
he's writing now oh man

912
00:47:26,370 --> 00:47:24,190
yeah exactly exactly all right I'm

913
00:47:28,739 --> 00:47:26,380
wiping the tears from my eyes I got a

914
00:47:30,569 --> 00:47:28,749
dose Aki's by the way here Jim's

915
00:47:33,089 --> 00:47:30,579
favorite beer I'm you know by the

916
00:47:36,479 --> 00:47:33,099
editors right yes yes yeah by the end of

917
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:36,489
the show I should be drunk so haha well

918
00:47:42,569 --> 00:47:39,369
I'll carry on four okay all right so um

919
00:47:45,390 --> 00:47:42,579
I just came out in Twitter right now or

920
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:45,400
no it was in one of the chat rooms they

921
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:47,890
wanted me to ask you if you're wearing a

922
00:47:54,089 --> 00:47:52,210
shirt and tie right now I'm not kidding

923
00:47:56,219 --> 00:47:54,099
this isn't coming for me Don this is

924
00:47:58,259 --> 00:47:56,229
actually in the chat room that's how

925
00:48:00,959 --> 00:47:58,269
much this audience loves you by the way

926
00:48:03,779 --> 00:48:00,969
they pay attention don't they well yes

927
00:48:07,549 --> 00:48:03,789
yes I do appreciate that but you know

928
00:48:10,709 --> 00:48:07,559
dr. Hynek used to always encourage us to

929
00:48:13,709 --> 00:48:10,719
dress our best at least in public

930
00:48:16,019 --> 00:48:13,719
because he would always you know comment

931
00:48:21,049 --> 00:48:16,029
you know we walk on eggshells as it is

932
00:48:24,749 --> 00:48:21,059
so first impression is everything and I

933
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:24,759
tested often that if you like you go to

934
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:28,089
a complaint department and if you look

935
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:29,529
like you've just crawled out from

936
00:48:34,170 --> 00:48:32,170
underneath a car you know changing the

937
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:34,180
oil or something they'll barely give you

938
00:48:37,289 --> 00:48:35,680
the time of day but if you look like you

939
00:48:39,660 --> 00:48:37,299
might be an attorney yep

940
00:48:42,479 --> 00:48:39,670
walking in and the suit-and-tie yeah you

941
00:48:45,779 --> 00:48:42,489
commit you get their attention so no no

942
00:48:47,609 --> 00:48:45,789
of course that I'm not well I'm not like

943
00:48:49,380 --> 00:48:47,619
Stan Freedman doing a late night show I

944
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:49,390
remember one time with George Noory and

945
00:48:53,969 --> 00:48:51,729
he said he commented because it was like

946
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:53,979
6:00 in the morning any comment that he

947
00:49:00,059 --> 00:48:56,650
was doing the show on his pajamas so I I

948
00:49:02,989 --> 00:49:00,069
don't need that visual yeah right no no

949
00:49:07,529 --> 00:49:02,999
no I agree I don't need that visual I

950
00:49:09,859 --> 00:49:07,539
remember you and I a contact I think it

951
00:49:13,620 --> 00:49:09,869
was either last year the year before

952
00:49:16,170 --> 00:49:13,630
Stanton and you were both wearing shirt

953
00:49:17,999 --> 00:49:16,180
and ties out there signing the edge for

954
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:18,009
Evis Walt and driverless well right

955
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:19,390
right you guys were all in shirts and

956
00:49:24,779 --> 00:49:21,910
ties and I was I you know I'm the young

957
00:49:26,849 --> 00:49:24,789
guy in the room and I was dying and I'm

958
00:49:29,249 --> 00:49:26,859
looking at you guys nobody's breaking a

959
00:49:32,130 --> 00:49:29,259
sweat and and Stanton who is sitting

960
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:32,140
next to me and I'm looking I'm like I

961
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:35,049
have no right to complain look at my man

962
00:49:40,859 --> 00:49:37,619
right here shirt and tie business

963
00:49:45,150 --> 00:49:40,869
business attire getting it done okay so

964
00:49:50,219 --> 00:49:45,160
the 70th anniversary is just past is

965
00:49:52,469 --> 00:49:50,229
with Roswell and it is for me I don't

966
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:52,479
think it's ever going to go away I don't

967
00:49:58,910 --> 00:49:56,410
know if we're ever going to you know get

968
00:50:01,079 --> 00:49:58,920
some kind of official government

969
00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:01,089
recognition of what's going on if we do

970
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:03,849
it'll be an accident or they'll be

971
00:50:11,099 --> 00:50:06,930
forced into it as opposed to you know a

972
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:11,109
volunteer a situation but it has been

973
00:50:20,489 --> 00:50:14,710
covered up now for 70 years

974
00:50:22,829 --> 00:50:20,499
why and I would defy any of the skeptics

975
00:50:26,249 --> 00:50:22,839
to come up with another example of

976
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:26,259
something that was explained the way I

977
00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:28,690
just think of this I mean it's been you

978
00:50:34,019 --> 00:50:31,079
know they've come out with four official

979
00:50:38,609 --> 00:50:34,029
explanations for the same event right

980
00:50:40,289 --> 00:50:38,619
and last time in May of 1997 when they

981
00:50:42,269 --> 00:50:40,299
came out when the Pentagon came out with

982
00:50:45,089 --> 00:50:42,279
their fourth explanation and the

983
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:45,099
pentagon spokesperson was asked by a

984
00:50:50,729 --> 00:50:47,920
reporter in the room well what if the

985
00:50:53,009 --> 00:50:50,739
public doesn't accept this one and his

986
00:50:55,259 --> 00:50:53,019
response was well then I guess we'll be

987
00:50:58,140 --> 00:50:55,269
back in another few years offering

988
00:51:00,239 --> 00:50:58,150
another one right so to them it's it's

989
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:00,249
it's it's simply just running out the

990
00:51:05,789 --> 00:51:03,609
clock just waiting until that final

991
00:51:08,819 --> 00:51:05,799
witness is passed on we talked about

992
00:51:11,999 --> 00:51:08,829
final witnesses we lost Jesse Marcel jr.

993
00:51:13,950 --> 00:51:12,009
just three years ago and as of this past

994
00:51:16,170 --> 00:51:13,960
weekend we just lost Frank Iero

995
00:51:20,700 --> 00:51:16,180
yes Frankie Wrigley child at the time

996
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:20,710
right and you know another first hand to

997
00:51:25,559 --> 00:51:23,680
actually handling the wreckage handling

998
00:51:28,829 --> 00:51:25,569
the material from this craft of this

999
00:51:30,860 --> 00:51:28,839
craft of unknown origin and you can just

1000
00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:30,870
imagine the powers that be

1001
00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:34,950
some deep dark cellar you know beneath

1002
00:51:38,780 --> 00:51:36,750
the wright-patterson or even the

1003
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,790
Pentagon just sliding their hands

1004
00:51:42,830 --> 00:51:40,800
together you know just a few more and

1005
00:51:45,260 --> 00:51:42,840
the last one you know last want to be

1006
00:51:49,550 --> 00:51:45,270
gone cover up complete well they almost

1007
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:49,560
had it they they almost you know pulled

1008
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:51,210
that off you and I were talking earlier

1009
00:51:58,600 --> 00:51:54,210
today and I think one of the most

1010
00:52:02,020 --> 00:51:58,610
remarkable instances that we can have a

1011
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:02,030
Roswell being successfully covered up is

1012
00:52:10,450 --> 00:52:08,330
Long John Neville and Long John Neville

1013
00:52:14,780 --> 00:52:10,460
his show

1014
00:52:18,890 --> 00:52:14,790
absolutely 100% did everything it could

1015
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:18,900
to have on guests and evidence to bring

1016
00:52:23,900 --> 00:52:21,930
forth all of this and get answers I mean

1017
00:52:25,970 --> 00:52:23,910
talk about a pit bull right that was

1018
00:52:29,710 --> 00:52:25,980
long John absolutely he didn't stop and

1019
00:52:32,570 --> 00:52:29,720
he did it for a couple of decades now

1020
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:32,580
throughout all every broadcast I've

1021
00:52:37,070 --> 00:52:35,370
listened to every single well not every

1022
00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:37,080
single but pretty close it you know

1023
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:41,640
maybe a thousand broadcast not once was

1024
00:52:49,100 --> 00:52:45,330
Roswell ever mentioned on his show and

1025
00:52:51,950 --> 00:52:49,110
he had everybody talking about every

1026
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:51,960
great case constantly for five hours a

1027
00:52:56,570 --> 00:52:53,490
night out of New York City

1028
00:52:59,810 --> 00:52:56,580
no Roswell that's a pretty successful

1029
00:53:02,800 --> 00:52:59,820
cover-up exactly and it would also

1030
00:53:05,690 --> 00:53:02,810
demonstrate that for all of the threats

1031
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,700
both to the military and to the

1032
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:07,920
civilians involved that they took them

1033
00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:11,010
very seriously the other point that

1034
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:12,600
could be made Jimmy is the fact that

1035
00:53:17,620 --> 00:53:15,420
nobody ever stepped forward and

1036
00:53:21,710 --> 00:53:17,630
reiterated the balloon explanation

1037
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,720
nobody ever you know you know 10 20 25

1038
00:53:27,020 --> 00:53:24,480
years thereafter until major Jesse

1039
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,030
Marcel the Intel officer from the

1040
00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:29,040
Roswell Army Airfield finally broke his

1041
00:53:35,150 --> 00:53:33,420
oath of secrecy 30 years after and you

1042
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:35,160
know he was dying of emphysema at the

1043
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:38,010
time and you know what do I had to lose

1044
00:53:41,540 --> 00:53:40,260
at this point so I'm gonna tell every

1045
00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:41,550
I'm gonna tell the world what really

1046
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:44,760
happened but there was nobody the Contra

1047
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:48,330
him and there is nobody to reinforce

1048
00:53:53,210 --> 00:53:50,730
reiterate that balloon explanation

1049
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:53,220
during all that time so you absolutely

1050
00:53:58,940 --> 00:53:56,010
correct that Long John Noble and as far

1051
00:54:01,280 --> 00:53:58,950
as all of the guests no one mentioned

1052
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:01,290
anything about Roswell but the point

1053
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:05,130
also be that nobody ever repeated

1054
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:07,290
anything in support of what the

1055
00:54:12,860 --> 00:54:09,780
government had claimed regarding the

1056
00:54:15,350 --> 00:54:12,870
incident during all that well yeah and

1057
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,360
it disappeared it disappeared it was

1058
00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:18,240
like it never happened and for Kenneth

1059
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:19,800
Arnold and we were talking about this

1060
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:21,540
earlier today but this point really

1061
00:54:27,260 --> 00:54:24,480
needs to be driven home Kevin Arnold and

1062
00:54:30,830 --> 00:54:27,270
everything that was going on in July of

1063
00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:30,840
1947 you had the roads photographs that

1064
00:54:34,820 --> 00:54:32,940
came out of Phoenix right that happen

1065
00:54:36,350 --> 00:54:34,830
Road right you had you had the roads

1066
00:54:38,420 --> 00:54:36,360
photograph so of course you had Maury

1067
00:54:41,890 --> 00:54:38,430
island he had Kenneth Arnold and you had

1068
00:54:44,380 --> 00:54:41,900
Roswell this was front-page news

1069
00:54:47,900 --> 00:54:44,390
big-time stuff that was being

1070
00:54:50,660 --> 00:54:47,910
discontented Arnold was aware of Roswell

1071
00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:50,670
of course he was but he never brought it

1072
00:54:57,740 --> 00:54:54,300
up again it was covered up so quickly

1073
00:55:01,340 --> 00:54:57,750
that it was like erased from his mind

1074
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:01,350
and he was a guest on Nevel show you

1075
00:55:04,970 --> 00:55:03,450
know dozens of times he was a you know

1076
00:55:08,420 --> 00:55:04,980
he's a featured guest over there

1077
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:08,430
and he never brought it up I it freaks

1078
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:10,680
me out when somebody says how successful

1079
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:12,090
can they be with a cover-up

1080
00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:14,910
I'm giving you one right now if that's

1081
00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:17,910
not meant absolutely and as we were

1082
00:55:23,180 --> 00:55:21,480
talking earlier today and my comment

1083
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:23,190
about the government the military

1084
00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:26,310
walking on water post-world War two and

1085
00:55:31,490 --> 00:55:29,730
they they took a big chance by first

1086
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:31,500
putting out that press release on

1087
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,140
Tuesday July 8th you know where they

1088
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:36,480
actually announced they had captured a

1089
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:39,780
flying disc and realizing that it was

1090
00:55:45,230 --> 00:55:43,110
all staged that within the next few

1091
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:45,240
hours and then you would watch the slow

1092
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:48,540
evolution from the flying discs into a

1093
00:55:55,850 --> 00:55:52,370
balloon and a radar reflector kite and

1094
00:55:57,020 --> 00:55:55,860
you you switch you transfer all the

1095
00:55:59,390 --> 00:55:57,030
attention Roz

1096
00:56:03,290 --> 00:55:59,400
over to Fort Worth and general ramey

1097
00:56:04,940 --> 00:56:03,300
allows the reporter James Bond Johnson

1098
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:04,950
to come in and take the pictures of the

1099
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:08,210
balloon and it makes the front page

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00:56:14,030 --> 00:56:11,040
headlines for the very next morning and

1101
00:56:16,940 --> 00:56:14,040
within a blink it's all over from a

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00:56:21,110 --> 00:56:16,950
flying disc to a balloon all within a

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00:56:23,420 --> 00:56:21,120
span of one day and it's stuck the Press

1104
00:56:26,180 --> 00:56:23,430
accepted a hook line and sinker and the

1105
00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:26,190
people you know who really didn't have

1106
00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:28,920
any answers who just you know were

1107
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:31,260
relieved to hear that we weren't being

1108
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:33,480
invaded that it was just 9 years post

1109
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:36,690
war of the worlds' the Orson Welles

1110
00:56:43,010 --> 00:56:39,240
broadcast from you notice nine years

1111
00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:43,020
before and so life went on and yet at

1112
00:56:48,110 --> 00:56:45,420
the Pentagon the phenomenon was still

1113
00:56:51,410 --> 00:56:48,120
there they had the physical wreckage

1114
00:56:54,740 --> 00:56:51,420
they had physical proof but they had

1115
00:56:56,570 --> 00:56:54,750
absolutely no answers and I believe and

1116
00:56:59,540 --> 00:56:56,580
as you heard me say before Jimmy I

1117
00:57:01,820 --> 00:56:59,550
believe that after now 70 years that it

1118
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:01,830
still remains a cover-up of ignorance

1119
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:03,810
that they still don't have any answers

1120
00:57:08,570 --> 00:57:05,970
they still don't know from where from

1121
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:08,580
wire from who so what do they disclose

1122
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,800
well we have proof but we have no

1123
00:57:14,750 --> 00:57:12,960
answers well who's going to what the

1124
00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:14,760
elected official is going to do that get

1125
00:57:22,250 --> 00:57:17,430
reelected well the difference between

1126
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:22,260
then and now which is transparent today

1127
00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:25,710
we get it but then they trusted the

1128
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:28,740
government they trusted the military and

1129
00:57:35,380 --> 00:57:31,260
that came first we came off of world war

1130
00:57:39,770 --> 00:57:35,390
ii where it was spy versus spy you know

1131
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:39,780
double triple agents disinfo briefcases

1132
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:42,210
full of fake documents being dropped

1133
00:57:48,830 --> 00:57:45,570
everywhere and it's just it's the way

1134
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:48,840
that it ran and everything you had to be

1135
00:57:53,660 --> 00:57:50,940
secret there were posters plastered

1136
00:57:57,170 --> 00:57:53,670
everywhere keep your mouth shut right

1137
00:57:59,570 --> 00:57:57,180
and exactly people who talk don't know

1138
00:58:02,390 --> 00:57:59,580
and people who know don't talk right and

1139
00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:02,400
so was that the was that probably the

1140
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:05,160
main the main influence there that

1141
00:58:10,790 --> 00:58:07,680
they're especially in the in the town of

1142
00:58:12,980 --> 00:58:10,800
Roswell which was a military city

1143
00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:12,990
right and well you it was the

1144
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:14,910
headquarters of the first atomic bomb

1145
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:20,280
wing back in 1947 even the two b-29s the

1146
00:58:26,090 --> 00:58:23,730
Enola Gay and boxcar which had ended

1147
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:26,100
World War two dropped the two bombs on

1148
00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:29,130
Japan they were angered at Roswell after

1149
00:58:34,940 --> 00:58:32,220
the war every personnel everyone on that

1150
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:34,950
base I don't care if you just you know

1151
00:58:40,220 --> 00:58:37,020
swept a broom you had a top security

1152
00:58:43,070 --> 00:58:40,230
clearance on that base back in 1947 and

1153
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:43,080
the irony that they would be involved

1154
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:45,810
with something of this magnitude just

1155
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:49,290
two years after that you know deployment

1156
00:58:57,950 --> 00:58:53,730
of the this new weapon that we unleashed

1157
00:59:01,850 --> 00:58:57,960
that we had no idea you know what power

1158
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:01,860
it would eventually you know arise too

1159
00:59:07,610 --> 00:59:04,680
and yet they had to deal with something

1160
00:59:11,090 --> 00:59:07,620
potentially off the planet all within

1161
00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:11,100
that that short period of time and the

1162
00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:13,560
you know that after now 70 years that

1163
00:59:17,930 --> 00:59:15,630
were still being asked to believe that

1164
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:17,940
the very personnel who were in charge of

1165
00:59:23,780 --> 00:59:20,910
the atomic bomb could not tell the

1166
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,790
difference as far as a weather balloon

1167
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:25,920
of off-the-shelf material that a

1168
00:59:30,350 --> 00:59:27,210
five-year-old child would have

1169
00:59:32,780 --> 00:59:30,360
recognized I often say it's the one time

1170
00:59:34,970 --> 00:59:32,790
and only time in history that a weather

1171
00:59:37,460 --> 00:59:34,980
balloon was misidentified as a flying

1172
00:59:38,990 --> 00:59:37,470
saucer let's take a break right here our

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00:59:41,050 --> 00:59:39,000
guest tonight Don Schmidt we're

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00:59:43,460 --> 00:59:41,060
discussing his new book cover up at

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Roswell this is fade to black I'm your

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00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:44,790
host Jimmy Church follow me on Twitter I

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Jimmy church radio calm we're on the

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stay with us

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[Music]

1250
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:49,290
welcome back fade to black I'm your host

1251
01:03:53,370 --> 01:03:51,730
Jimmy Church our guest tonight Don Smith

1252
01:03:55,890 --> 01:03:53,380
we're talking about his new book cover

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up at Roswell you can get it now it's

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available on Amazon I have it here I've

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been reading it it's a good it's a good

1256
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:00,460
read

1257
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that kept coming back to me and I keep

1258
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:12,370
bringing up Long John Nebel but there's

1259
01:04:17,250 --> 01:04:14,650
there's you know you have Donald Kehoe

1260
01:04:20,330 --> 01:04:17,260
or you have McDonald you had other

1261
01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:20,340
researchers throughout that era that

1262
01:04:26,970 --> 01:04:23,710
also you know it was like there was a

1263
01:04:28,890 --> 01:04:26,980
lack of the ability to go and dig up

1264
01:04:32,250 --> 01:04:28,900
some old newspapers or try to figure out

1265
01:04:35,010 --> 01:04:32,260
you know why why weren't they able to do

1266
01:04:37,950 --> 01:04:35,020
it and the first thing I think of is

1267
01:04:40,890 --> 01:04:37,960
well it seems like the public were

1268
01:04:43,950 --> 01:04:40,900
silenced first is that the method of the

1269
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:43,960
operation is there is there a step you

1270
01:04:47,970 --> 01:04:46,210
know or did they silence the military

1271
01:04:57,780 --> 01:04:47,980
first and police enforcement how does

1272
01:04:59,040 --> 01:04:57,790
that work Don Ho we're here a time don't

1273
01:05:03,090 --> 01:04:59,050
give me a heart attack like that did you

1274
01:05:05,790 --> 01:05:03,100
hear the question about police no don't

1275
01:05:08,670 --> 01:05:05,800
repeat please yeah the question as I

1276
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:08,680
read the book I kept coming back to me

1277
01:05:15,660 --> 01:05:12,490
why as you know not only Nebel or

1278
01:05:18,060 --> 01:05:15,670
Kenneth Arnold but like Donald Kehoe or

1279
01:05:21,180 --> 01:05:18,070
James McDonald or other guys that were

1280
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:21,190
out there in that era really overturning

1281
01:05:27,420 --> 01:05:24,970
stuff and they I don't know why there

1282
01:05:30,540 --> 01:05:27,430
was the the lack of the ability to go

1283
01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:30,550
and find members of the public to speak

1284
01:05:35,250 --> 01:05:32,710
about it dig up old newspaper articles

1285
01:05:38,910 --> 01:05:35,260
and and and and and find out about

1286
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:38,920
Roswell it wasn't done and it just seems

1287
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:42,160
to me like there was a silencing of the

1288
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:44,410
public because they couldn't get any

1289
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:47,680
witnesses and so what happened first was

1290
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:50,170
that the military was it the police

1291
01:05:54,750 --> 01:05:52,210
department were worked on first they

1292
01:05:58,260 --> 01:05:54,760
silenced the public first do they have a

1293
01:05:59,670 --> 01:05:58,270
method to this well they they went after

1294
01:06:02,990 --> 01:05:59,680
the press first

1295
01:06:06,329 --> 01:06:03,000
and that was clearly their game plan as

1296
01:06:09,510 --> 01:06:06,339
you know just in in researching a lot of

1297
01:06:12,180 --> 01:06:09,520
the the newspaper accounts and some of

1298
01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:12,190
the press back at Roswell after the

1299
01:06:18,270 --> 01:06:15,849
balloon explanation at Fort Worth they

1300
01:06:20,220 --> 01:06:18,280
were still questioning if there was

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01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:20,230
something still afoot something else was

1302
01:06:24,930 --> 01:06:23,050
still going on because why were we cut

1303
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:24,940
out you know why did they shift all the

1304
01:06:30,329 --> 01:06:27,010
attention from here where it happened

1305
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:30,339
over to Texas or in the dallas-fort

1306
01:06:35,130 --> 01:06:33,130
Worth area and so they were they felt a

1307
01:06:38,250 --> 01:06:35,140
little smelled in that regard but then

1308
01:06:41,069 --> 01:06:38,260
things also quickly quieted down there

1309
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:41,079
as well the base had been on lockdown

1310
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:44,050
and then where there had been

1311
01:06:49,620 --> 01:06:46,329
established such a wonderful rapport

1312
01:06:51,750 --> 01:06:49,630
between the base personnel about 7,000

1313
01:06:54,900 --> 01:06:51,760
people on the base at that time and the

1314
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local inhabitants the local people in

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01:07:01,920 --> 01:06:58,300
town and what was said is we were to

1316
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:01,930
talk to both sides more and more they

1317
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:04,480
described to us that there was such a a

1318
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:08,530
wall a barrier that arose immediately

1319
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:11,410
after the incident as though neither

1320
01:07:16,740 --> 01:07:14,250
side trusted the other any longer and

1321
01:07:18,930 --> 01:07:16,750
neither side had the answers though

1322
01:07:21,420 --> 01:07:18,940
that's the whole point so who was

1323
01:07:24,690 --> 01:07:21,430
creating that you know that that

1324
01:07:27,450 --> 01:07:24,700
obstruction creating as far as that that

1325
01:07:30,299 --> 01:07:27,460
tension between what had originally been

1326
01:07:33,930 --> 01:07:30,309
such a happy marriage right and you

1327
01:07:37,170 --> 01:07:33,940
realize that one of the things that

1328
01:07:39,930 --> 01:07:37,180
became quite evident that they first of

1329
01:07:42,780 --> 01:07:39,940
all were the ridicule factor had already

1330
01:07:44,849 --> 01:07:42,790
been established that general ramey for

1331
01:07:46,530 --> 01:07:44,859
example within a few days after the

1332
01:07:49,620 --> 01:07:46,540
balloon press conference he was on an El

1333
01:07:52,589 --> 01:07:49,630
Paso radio station and he was asked

1334
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:52,599
about well that explains Roswell but

1335
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:54,930
then what about all the other states

1336
01:07:58,920 --> 01:07:57,130
haven't you know every other state

1337
01:08:00,990 --> 01:07:58,930
throughout the country also had these

1338
01:08:04,730 --> 01:08:01,000
flying disc reports to which Rainey

1339
01:08:09,299 --> 01:08:04,740
agrees yes that is true except for

1340
01:08:11,490 --> 01:08:09,309
Kansas which is a dry state so for the

1341
01:08:13,620 --> 01:08:11,500
first time it suggested that only people

1342
01:08:17,340 --> 01:08:13,630
over and baibe who drink you know

1343
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:17,350
even have such experiences and the topic

1344
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:20,650
then becomes more and more taboo and as

1345
01:08:25,769 --> 01:08:24,250
a result sightings have dropped off you

1346
01:08:29,550 --> 01:08:25,779
know as far as the reports have dropped

1347
01:08:31,499 --> 01:08:29,560
off after Roswell drastically if you you

1348
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:31,509
compile all the reports that have come

1349
01:08:36,269 --> 01:08:33,489
in for those two weeks leading up to

1350
01:08:39,379 --> 01:08:36,279
Roswell it's a hundred you know over a

1351
01:08:42,959 --> 01:08:39,389
hundred a day and after the balloon

1352
01:08:46,019 --> 01:08:42,969
explanation they drop off to practically

1353
01:08:48,660 --> 01:08:46,029
nothing because now people are led to

1354
01:08:51,169 --> 01:08:48,670
believe that well you're wasting our

1355
01:08:53,780 --> 01:08:51,179
time we're not investigating anything

1356
01:08:56,249 --> 01:08:53,790
Roswell was just a big Mis

1357
01:08:59,280 --> 01:08:56,259
identification nothing to see here folks

1358
01:09:02,510 --> 01:08:59,290
you can all go home well why am he dad

1359
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:02,520
they did and we were seconds away

1360
01:09:06,090 --> 01:09:05,170
literally from this thing going in the

1361
01:09:09,209 --> 01:09:06,100
other direction

1362
01:09:12,899 --> 01:09:09,219
absolutely Jimmy yes yes excellent point

1363
01:09:14,999 --> 01:09:12,909
and and I don't I I don't know why we

1364
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:15,009
didn't have one dude they're like Jim

1365
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:15,520
Marrs

1366
01:09:21,809 --> 01:09:19,210
right it was a hailer something funny

1367
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:21,819
here see you know you guys just did a

1368
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:23,770
press release yesterday and now you say

1369
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:24,810
it's nothing

1370
01:09:31,979 --> 01:09:28,000
hmm something sticky no we didn't have

1371
01:09:34,260 --> 01:09:31,989
that guy and I just it blows my mind

1372
01:09:36,329 --> 01:09:34,270
that well rather than the public were

1373
01:09:39,209 --> 01:09:36,339
willing to just buy the narrative so

1374
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:39,219
quickly they were n as we described

1375
01:09:46,110 --> 01:09:42,880
earlier I mean it's difficult by today's

1376
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,120
standards being an you know clearly the

1377
01:09:49,979 --> 01:09:48,400
level of distrust for the government and

1378
01:09:52,050 --> 01:09:49,989
for government you know as far as

1379
01:09:54,030 --> 01:09:52,060
official corruption and that type of

1380
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:54,040
thing we've all grown up with it but

1381
01:09:58,890 --> 01:09:56,710
back then it didn't exist in the you

1382
01:10:02,040 --> 01:09:58,900
know in the minds of the people they

1383
01:10:03,450 --> 01:10:02,050
again felt that if it was an official

1384
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:03,460
pronouncement on the part of the

1385
01:10:07,229 --> 01:10:04,090
government

1386
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:07,239
that's good enough for us and we had an

1387
01:10:15,030 --> 01:10:10,690
example of artesia which is just south

1388
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:15,040
of Roswell about half far away and we

1389
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:17,730
were tip we were tipped off by a

1390
01:10:23,070 --> 01:10:20,290
reporter who eventually would become the

1391
01:10:26,399 --> 01:10:23,080
editor of the very newspaper and the

1392
01:10:27,209 --> 01:10:26,409
story was that around 1950 three years

1393
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:27,219
after

1394
01:10:32,910 --> 01:10:29,710
he was assigned to go up to Roswell to

1395
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:32,920
follow up on all these stories and all

1396
01:10:38,310 --> 01:10:35,530
these rumors about the alleged bodies

1397
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:38,320
that were recovered well that in the

1398
01:10:44,489 --> 01:10:41,249
face of the standing balloons story and

1399
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:44,499
when we tracked him down and we tried to

1400
01:10:49,890 --> 01:10:46,449
get him to talk to us boy did we have a

1401
01:10:52,140 --> 01:10:49,900
door slammed in our face and to us it

1402
01:10:55,469 --> 01:10:52,150
was as though he had the very same

1403
01:10:57,839 --> 01:10:55,479
experience back in 1950 that for

1404
01:11:00,839 --> 01:10:57,849
whatever reason because there was there

1405
01:11:03,540 --> 01:11:00,849
was obviously no story nothing that we

1406
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:03,550
checked out that any such story was ever

1407
01:11:10,350 --> 01:11:07,090
written on his part or anybody else at

1408
01:11:12,629 --> 01:11:10,360
the paper but nonetheless he treated us

1409
01:11:16,469 --> 01:11:12,639
as though don't go there

1410
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:16,479
I'm not going there and as though it

1411
01:11:23,029 --> 01:11:20,650
again was a off-limits subject that

1412
01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:23,039
you're not going to touch this story and

1413
01:11:27,660 --> 01:11:25,510
so there may have been some jim marrs

1414
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:27,670
back then there may have been others

1415
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:31,840
that you know try to reopen the case so

1416
01:11:36,540 --> 01:11:34,239
to speak but I think they were quickly

1417
01:11:39,660 --> 01:11:36,550
reminded just as the very witnesses

1418
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:39,670
involved that you will not go there and

1419
01:11:46,410 --> 01:11:42,610
if you do you will you know have hell to

1420
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:46,420
pay for it let's fast forward I want to

1421
01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:48,729
I want to jump to Bill Moore and the

1422
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:50,409
reason why I want to jump to Bill Moore

1423
01:11:57,689 --> 01:11:54,130
so quickly is I want to hear from you

1424
01:12:03,560 --> 01:11:57,699
because a I trust you be you were there

1425
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:03,570
and so how how did it actually happen

1426
01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:07,570
how how did this thing you know I know

1427
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:10,030
that Jesse Marcel side of things and we

1428
01:12:14,250 --> 01:12:12,130
know the the public side of this but I

1429
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:14,260
want to hear from Don how did this thing

1430
01:12:21,149 --> 01:12:19,360
blow open in in 79 80 well it was for

1431
01:12:23,549 --> 01:12:21,159
the very fact as we've been describing

1432
01:12:26,250 --> 01:12:23,559
that just Marcel and he was a ham radio

1433
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:26,260
operator at that time and he had also

1434
01:12:33,029 --> 01:12:28,690
been diagnosed with the terminal

1435
01:12:34,919 --> 01:12:33,039
emphysema and he was the Patsy he was

1436
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:34,929
the original fall guy he was ordered to

1437
01:12:39,359 --> 01:12:36,880
pose with the substituted weather

1438
01:12:40,740 --> 01:12:39,369
balloon you know in the in a stark

1439
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:40,750
reality of

1440
01:12:47,190 --> 01:12:43,450
knowing that it was the cover story that

1441
01:12:49,470 --> 01:12:47,200
it was not what he had held in his very

1442
01:12:52,740 --> 01:12:49,480
hands what he came back from the very

1443
01:12:56,430 --> 01:12:52,750
crash sites and essentially set the

1444
01:12:58,860 --> 01:12:56,440
whole story in motion and at the time he

1445
01:13:01,080 --> 01:12:58,870
was promised you know and you know just

1446
01:13:03,180 --> 01:13:01,090
be a good soldier Jess in five years

1447
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:03,190
it's all going to come out ten years

1448
01:13:06,270 --> 01:13:05,170
it's all going to come out you know you

1449
01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:06,280
just were good we're going to have to

1450
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:08,080
get a handle on it and figure out what's

1451
01:13:15,090 --> 01:13:09,760
going on and you're going to be a hero

1452
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:15,100
and 20 years 25 years 30 years and he's

1453
01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:18,400
now realizing that his days are numbered

1454
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:21,070
and he finally realizes it's not going

1455
01:13:26,100 --> 01:13:23,290
to come out they're not going to

1456
01:13:29,850 --> 01:13:26,110
disclose the reality of what he

1457
01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:29,860
firsthand knew to be the truth and so he

1458
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:33,460
breaks his silence and Stan Friedman is

1459
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:36,970
tipped off by reporter down in Houma

1460
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:40,690
Louisiana who was aware of you know this

1461
01:13:45,090 --> 01:13:42,330
gentleman this former military

1462
01:13:48,780 --> 01:13:45,100
lieutenant colonel who was talking about

1463
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:48,790
actually handling pieces of a genuine

1464
01:13:57,900 --> 01:13:52,890
flying saucer and Stan wood talked to

1465
01:14:01,730 --> 01:13:57,910
Marcel and at the time Stan was aware

1466
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:01,740
that bill Moore had also talked to

1467
01:14:08,250 --> 01:14:04,960
another witness who supposedly was

1468
01:14:10,290 --> 01:14:08,260
involved with the same incident and they

1469
01:14:14,570 --> 01:14:10,300
they pulled their information and they

1470
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:14,580
realized that there's a story here and

1471
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:18,880
what especially you know provided and

1472
01:14:24,900 --> 01:14:22,810
what has made Roswell the linchpin and I

1473
01:14:27,810 --> 01:14:24,910
called the granddaddy of all UFO cases

1474
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:27,820
because it's the one and only time that

1475
01:14:32,610 --> 01:14:31,120
the United States military actually put

1476
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:32,620
out a press release that they had

1477
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:34,960
captured one that they actually got

1478
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:37,570
their hands on one and they name names

1479
01:14:44,580 --> 01:14:40,840
and so it was just a matter of Moore and

1480
01:14:46,890 --> 01:14:44,590
Friedman then gathering all those names

1481
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:46,900
and tracking them down and they were all

1482
01:14:54,450 --> 01:14:51,210
still alive back then and they were all

1483
01:14:56,890 --> 01:14:54,460
Rio telling the same story they

1484
01:14:59,020 --> 01:14:56,900
they were saying that it was the first

1485
01:15:02,140 --> 01:14:59,030
press account the first press release

1486
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:02,150
which was the genuine story right and

1487
01:15:07,570 --> 01:15:04,730
they realized that they had a tiger by

1488
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:07,580
the tail they really realized that my

1489
01:15:14,290 --> 01:15:10,970
god if this is true we finally you know

1490
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:14,300
have you know the holy grail of all the

1491
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:18,050
the UFO cases so another credit they

1492
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:21,410
took off with it so did did uh did Bill

1493
01:15:26,950 --> 01:15:25,040
and Stanton I envisioned them driving

1494
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:26,960
right down to the Roswell Daily Record

1495
01:15:32,050 --> 01:15:29,210
walking in the front door right there

1496
01:15:36,510 --> 01:15:32,060
which is right there in Roswell bill

1497
01:15:39,490 --> 01:15:36,520
there and and and going in and asking

1498
01:15:41,790 --> 01:15:39,500
about this this story were they able to

1499
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:41,800
just put their hands on original

1500
01:15:48,700 --> 01:15:45,890
newspapers and and because you're right

1501
01:15:51,250 --> 01:15:48,710
that original article had everything in

1502
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:51,260
it it was the out press release it was

1503
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:53,810
word-for-word names renamed locations

1504
01:15:58,570 --> 01:15:56,690
who what where and when was right there

1505
01:16:02,320 --> 01:15:58,580
is that what they did I can't imagine

1506
01:16:04,590 --> 01:16:02,330
being able to do that oh man what a what

1507
01:16:07,810 --> 01:16:04,600
a what an extraordinary chain of events

1508
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:07,820
because it was still 1980 and you better

1509
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:10,210
for lutely you bring up a good point

1510
01:16:13,390 --> 01:16:11,360
1980

1511
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:13,400
okay this 1947 so that means if

1512
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:15,890
somebody's 20 21 years old in the Army

1513
01:16:21,130 --> 01:16:19,280
back then there were only 50 51 52 years

1514
01:16:23,860 --> 01:16:21,140
old everybody's still kids at this point

1515
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:23,870
exactly just about everybody is still

1516
01:16:29,530 --> 01:16:26,960
around I mean we did lose many of the

1517
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:29,540
principal witnesses before like the very

1518
01:16:33,820 --> 01:16:31,850
rancher Mac Brazel and the base

1519
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:33,830
commander you know Colonel William

1520
01:16:39,700 --> 01:16:37,730
Blanchard and and I could name probably

1521
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:39,710
a dozen others who had passed away in

1522
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:43,010
the 60s and and 70s leading up to the

1523
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:45,650
incident but the bulk the heart the meat

1524
01:16:51,550 --> 01:16:47,690
of the story everybody was still there

1525
01:16:53,500 --> 01:16:51,560
everybody was still around and so more

1526
01:16:55,450 --> 01:16:53,510
had written they co-opted the book

1527
01:17:01,480 --> 01:16:55,460
Philadelphia experiment with Charles

1528
01:17:04,570 --> 01:17:01,490
Berlitz the famous linguist and they the

1529
01:17:07,899 --> 01:17:04,580
publisher Dunlap decided that instead of

1530
01:17:12,550 --> 01:17:07,909
a book co-authored by Moore and Friedman

1531
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:12,560
once again would do more and Berlitz so

1532
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:15,440
in 1980 they came up with razo incident

1533
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:19,850
which presented the testimony of 92

1534
01:17:26,740 --> 01:17:23,330
witnesses I recall and most of them

1535
01:17:31,229 --> 01:17:26,750
never you know known of heretofore up to

1536
01:17:34,510 --> 01:17:31,239
that point and as a result it it created

1537
01:17:38,020 --> 01:17:34,520
and as Moore himself would describe that

1538
01:17:40,510 --> 01:17:38,030
it was a hodgepodge that they still had

1539
01:17:43,180 --> 01:17:40,520
a lot of the peripheral storylines

1540
01:17:46,330 --> 01:17:43,190
information rumors legends that type of

1541
01:17:50,140 --> 01:17:46,340
thing and they tried to encompass it

1542
01:17:52,570 --> 01:17:50,150
into one scenario one event and and they

1543
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:52,580
failed they were unable to do that but

1544
01:17:58,209 --> 01:17:55,010
but nonetheless they still you know

1545
01:18:02,050 --> 01:17:58,219
really they resurrected the very story

1546
01:18:05,410 --> 01:18:02,060
and as a result here we are 70 years

1547
01:18:08,979 --> 01:18:05,420
later and I honestly what would give all

1548
01:18:12,129 --> 01:18:08,989
of them full credit for really you know

1549
01:18:13,959 --> 01:18:12,139
reopening what I believe is the

1550
01:18:16,300 --> 01:18:13,969
consummate you know the granddaddy of

1551
01:18:19,209 --> 01:18:16,310
all UFO cases that being Roswell well

1552
01:18:21,700 --> 01:18:19,219
and and this is this is where it gets

1553
01:18:24,100 --> 01:18:21,710
interesting we you know setting it all

1554
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:24,110
up now we have now we have the you know

1555
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:25,489
we have the game in front of us here's

1556
01:18:29,950 --> 01:18:27,530
here's the game but when we're talking

1557
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:29,960
about a cover-up and a cover-up at

1558
01:18:36,310 --> 01:18:33,679
Roswell suddenly you go from no

1559
01:18:38,620 --> 01:18:36,320
witnesses no testing nobody talking

1560
01:18:43,090 --> 01:18:38,630
about it still the cone of silence is

1561
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:43,100
over the town of Roswell - everybody

1562
01:18:49,209 --> 01:18:46,880
having a story here and and witnesses

1563
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:49,219
coming forward and now you have the

1564
01:18:55,810 --> 01:18:52,330
evidence of a huge cover-up and

1565
01:18:56,530 --> 01:18:55,820
everybody can't be making up the same

1566
01:19:00,280 --> 01:18:56,540
story

1567
01:19:03,129 --> 01:19:00,290
can they no no that is the amazing thing

1568
01:19:07,090 --> 01:19:03,139
that to this day still boggles my mind

1569
01:19:10,570 --> 01:19:07,100
and as we we both and all your listeners

1570
01:19:13,330 --> 01:19:10,580
would you know would know that whether

1571
01:19:16,060 --> 01:19:13,340
it would be in law enforcement or even

1572
01:19:19,149 --> 01:19:16,070
something such as an insurance adjustor

1573
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:19,159
ten people witness an event you

1574
01:19:25,810 --> 01:19:22,880
ten different versions and the amazing

1575
01:19:29,859 --> 01:19:25,820
thing about Rozell is that they're all

1576
01:19:33,459 --> 01:19:29,869
providing individual pieces of the same

1577
01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:33,469
mosaic the same puzzle no one is saying

1578
01:19:38,709 --> 01:19:36,289
no no no no I was on that flight you or

1579
01:19:42,370 --> 01:19:38,719
not or I was on the ground picking up

1580
01:19:45,219 --> 01:19:42,380
the wreckage or I guarded the hangar and

1581
01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:45,229
I never saw you that type of thing where

1582
01:19:50,679 --> 01:19:48,320
we were initially you know talking to

1583
01:19:52,719 --> 01:19:50,689
witnesses who would then finger and

1584
01:19:56,049 --> 01:19:52,729
recall and remember well I believe

1585
01:19:58,839 --> 01:19:56,059
so-and-so was you know also part of that

1586
01:20:01,929 --> 01:19:58,849
crew or also you know down at the other

1587
01:20:04,029 --> 01:20:01,939
end guarding this area or that area and

1588
01:20:06,339 --> 01:20:04,039
then we would track them down and then

1589
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:06,349
they would fill in that vantage points

1590
01:20:11,469 --> 01:20:09,010
you know as far as information and

1591
01:20:13,989 --> 01:20:11,479
they're all reading Jimmy they're all

1592
01:20:15,879 --> 01:20:13,999
reading from the same script and a

1593
01:20:18,580 --> 01:20:15,889
script that is either the biggest hoax

1594
01:20:21,819 --> 01:20:18,590
of all time or it's one of the biggest

1595
01:20:22,839 --> 01:20:21,829
events of all time it comes down to it's

1596
01:20:26,409 --> 01:20:22,849
just that simple

1597
01:20:29,620 --> 01:20:26,419
now as as time started to move along I

1598
01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:29,630
want to stay back at this original point

1599
01:20:35,770 --> 01:20:31,760
but as time started to move along here

1600
01:20:37,929 --> 01:20:35,780
bill Moore started to get deeper and

1601
01:20:40,989 --> 01:20:37,939
deeper into the possibility of

1602
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:40,999
disinformation being fed to him as we

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01:20:47,290 --> 01:20:43,610
all know do you think at any point

1604
01:20:49,569 --> 01:20:47,300
through that era in the 80s as Roswell

1605
01:20:52,060 --> 01:20:49,579
started to really really take off you're

1606
01:20:54,189 --> 01:20:52,070
involved you've got Randall and but you

1607
01:20:54,819 --> 01:20:54,199
know everybody is converging now on

1608
01:20:56,589 --> 01:20:54,829
Roswell

1609
01:20:58,479 --> 01:20:56,599
and then you have you know you have a

1610
01:21:01,330 --> 01:20:58,489
stack and you have Corona comes into

1611
01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:01,340
play everything is starting to show

1612
01:21:07,239 --> 01:21:04,400
itself do you think any of that at this

1613
01:21:08,649 --> 01:21:07,249
point looking back do you think part of

1614
01:21:13,469 --> 01:21:08,659
that cover-up may have been some

1615
01:21:17,580 --> 01:21:13,479
disinformation on Bill Morris part well

1616
01:21:20,290 --> 01:21:17,590
in keeping in mind too that the more and

1617
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:20,300
treatment collaboration was 10 years

1618
01:21:26,049 --> 01:21:22,489
before we even became involved right I

1619
01:21:29,589 --> 01:21:26,059
was so you know disinterested such a

1620
01:21:32,350 --> 01:21:29,599
skeptic on Roswell

1621
01:21:35,290 --> 01:21:32,360
leading up to even our very first trip

1622
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:35,300
in February of 1989 so even ten years

1623
01:21:39,100 --> 01:21:38,210
after their initial involvement I just

1624
01:21:41,650 --> 01:21:39,110
couldn't believe something that

1625
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:41,660
magnitude could be kept a secret for all

1626
01:21:46,570 --> 01:21:44,330
that time little did I know but

1627
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:46,580
nonetheless I had never read the book

1628
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:49,280
Roswell incident and and Kevin Randall

1629
01:21:57,130 --> 01:21:52,130
at that time we were both total novices

1630
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:57,140
on the case we were you know as far as

1631
01:22:02,530 --> 01:21:59,840
like like a sponge going down to New

1632
01:22:04,690 --> 01:22:02,540
Mexico for the first time just absorbing

1633
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:04,700
all that information all that first-hand

1634
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:07,730
testimony and going my god what if we're

1635
01:22:11,740 --> 01:22:08,450
wrong

1636
01:22:14,890 --> 01:22:11,750
what if you know we are making a you

1637
01:22:16,690 --> 01:22:14,900
know a major mistake of our lives by not

1638
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:16,700
considering the possibility that what if

1639
01:22:21,190 --> 01:22:19,010
this is true right and we couldn't get

1640
01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:21,200
back down to New Mexico quick quick

1641
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:28,070
enough and you know we've often comment

1642
01:22:32,710 --> 01:22:29,930
in the past that Bill Maher could have

1643
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:32,720
had all of this that all he would have

1644
01:22:39,250 --> 01:22:35,450
needed to do is continue as far as on

1645
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:39,260
this rapid course of just tracking down

1646
01:22:44,110 --> 01:22:41,930
every surviving witness and compiling

1647
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:44,120
all the data and there would have been

1648
01:22:51,850 --> 01:22:48,400
such a union issue as far as such a

1649
01:22:54,010 --> 01:22:51,860
snowball effect of just this wealth of

1650
01:22:55,300 --> 01:22:54,020
eyewitness testimony that it would have

1651
01:23:00,430 --> 01:22:55,310
been no stopping it

1652
01:23:03,220 --> 01:23:00,440
and whether he became distracted whether

1653
01:23:05,410 --> 01:23:03,230
he fell to disinformation whether he

1654
01:23:07,500 --> 01:23:05,420
even became a distance information agent

1655
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:07,510
himself that he became a willing

1656
01:23:14,590 --> 01:23:10,730
participant so to speak it was a total

1657
01:23:17,650 --> 01:23:14,600
distraction a total diversion it left a

1658
01:23:20,290 --> 01:23:17,660
void and that's when I approached Stan

1659
01:23:23,770 --> 01:23:20,300
Friedman and I asked him do you feel

1660
01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:23,780
that you've tracked down all the

1661
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:26,450
remaining witnesses and I was pleasantly

1662
01:23:31,390 --> 01:23:29,210
surprised in the fall of 1980 when when

1663
01:23:34,180 --> 01:23:31,400
Stan said to me know Don I'm sure

1664
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:34,190
there's still hundreds of witnesses

1665
01:23:38,980 --> 01:23:37,280
still out there and that's all I needed

1666
01:23:41,290 --> 01:23:38,990
to hear right and I made my

1667
01:23:43,810 --> 01:23:41,300
recommendation the the Koufos center

1668
01:23:45,700 --> 01:23:43,820
beautiful studies that as the director

1669
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:45,710
of Special Investigations at that time

1670
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:48,650
then I wanted to make this a principle

1671
01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:51,050
target and I selected Kevin Randall as

1672
01:23:56,620 --> 01:23:53,840
an outside investigator Kevin was not

1673
01:23:59,709 --> 01:23:56,630
with cue foes at that time and he also

1674
01:24:02,080 --> 01:23:59,719
was a skeptic and we both thought we'd

1675
01:24:04,330 --> 01:24:02,090
go down to New Mexico and wrap this up

1676
01:24:06,370 --> 01:24:04,340
in a weekend that we'd come away with

1677
01:24:07,959 --> 01:24:06,380
something as prosaic as the weather

1678
01:24:11,100 --> 01:24:07,969
balloon or something just as

1679
01:24:16,990 --> 01:24:11,110
conventional and here you are in 2017

1680
01:24:19,750 --> 01:24:17,000
yes yes yes oh and man and and I for one

1681
01:24:25,570 --> 01:24:19,760
being able to say that I was totally

1682
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:25,580
wrong and and but just a dr. Hynek my

1683
01:24:31,060 --> 01:24:28,010
predecessor as far as Ed Koufos where he

1684
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:31,070
too was you know the chief debunker they

1685
01:24:37,060 --> 01:24:33,650
achieved skeptic for the air force for

1686
01:24:39,910 --> 01:24:37,070
19 years and when you realize you're

1687
01:24:41,709 --> 01:24:39,920
going in the wrong direction and at a

1688
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:41,719
certain point you just can't you know

1689
01:24:47,979 --> 01:24:43,610
continue to call all these people liars

1690
01:24:50,260 --> 01:24:47,989
right that you realize that it's no

1691
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:50,270
different than we can disagree about

1692
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:53,120
elements of the Alamo or a Little

1693
01:24:59,770 --> 01:24:56,210
Bighorn or a certain any incident in

1694
01:25:02,470 --> 01:24:59,780
history we can have you know your

1695
01:25:05,740 --> 01:25:02,480
reasonable debate and argument but it

1696
01:25:09,070 --> 01:25:05,750
doesn't disavow it does deny that the

1697
01:25:12,370 --> 01:25:09,080
event still happened and that's where

1698
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:12,380
the skeptics regarding Roswell they're

1699
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:14,090
still trying to paint this as a

1700
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:15,170
non-event

1701
01:25:20,350 --> 01:25:17,600
well it doesn't acknowledge the fact

1702
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:20,360
that well they still put out the damn

1703
01:25:25,780 --> 01:25:23,090
press release they still said something

1704
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:25,790
crashed something was recovered and just

1705
01:25:29,500 --> 01:25:27,170
because you don't like what they

1706
01:25:32,620 --> 01:25:29,510
initially claimed doesn't mean you can

1707
01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:32,630
just wash away the testimony of hundreds

1708
01:25:37,690 --> 01:25:35,510
of witnesses and say they're all lying

1709
01:25:41,470 --> 01:25:37,700
doesn't work ladies and gentlemen I'm

1710
01:25:43,959 --> 01:25:41,480
sorry I remember you and I talking a I

1711
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:43,969
think there's probably about four years

1712
01:25:48,610 --> 01:25:46,960
ago and I had said to you then we're

1713
01:25:50,729 --> 01:25:48,620
dangerously close

1714
01:25:54,100 --> 01:25:50,739
you know we're weeks or months away from

1715
01:25:56,020 --> 01:25:54,110
that's it right that it's a morose

1716
01:25:59,230 --> 01:25:56,030
statement but there's going to be nobody

1717
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:59,240
left alive yes now here we are

1718
01:26:04,330 --> 01:26:01,760
are four years later four years past

1719
01:26:06,430 --> 01:26:04,340
even that statement then as strong as it

1720
01:26:08,590 --> 01:26:06,440
was and when if we look at the military

1721
01:26:11,140 --> 01:26:08,600
personnel back then and we'll pick this

1722
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:11,150
up after the break but you know let's

1723
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:13,370
say some buddies are private or you know

1724
01:26:20,740 --> 01:26:16,490
20 21 22 23 years old well that's going

1725
01:26:24,730 --> 01:26:20,750
to make them 90 today 95 is there

1726
01:26:29,230 --> 01:26:24,740
anybody left from the military alive

1727
01:26:33,150 --> 01:26:29,240
today I'm yeah from Roswell yes how men

1728
01:26:37,060 --> 01:26:33,160
they are 90 years old they have to be

1729
01:26:40,420 --> 01:26:37,070
even even if they were 18 they're 90

1730
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:40,430
today yes and the skeptics would say

1731
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:42,890
that well it's because of their advanced

1732
01:26:47,770 --> 01:26:46,010
age that you can trust them at all you

1733
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:47,780
can't trust their testimony that it's

1734
01:26:52,330 --> 01:26:49,730
worth nothing well but these people have

1735
01:26:56,020 --> 01:26:52,340
been talking for the past 20 years since

1736
01:26:58,840 --> 01:26:56,030
they were 70 so the main point being

1737
01:27:01,120 --> 01:26:58,850
that their testimony remains consistent

1738
01:27:02,980 --> 01:27:01,130
that they haven't altered it they have

1739
01:27:05,950 --> 01:27:02,990
an amine point they haven't backed down

1740
01:27:08,860 --> 01:27:05,960
they haven't said well now that you know

1741
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:08,870
my days are numbered let me tell you the

1742
01:27:13,810 --> 01:27:11,360
truth I was lying all this time I made

1743
01:27:17,290 --> 01:27:13,820
it all up I was never even involved no

1744
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:17,300
they just as just Marcel - they're very

1745
01:27:21,610 --> 01:27:19,040
dying day

1746
01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:21,620
they swore that it all happened that it

1747
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:23,450
was true let's take a break right here

1748
01:27:28,270 --> 01:27:24,890
our guest tonight the one and only Don

1749
01:27:30,340 --> 01:27:28,280
Schmidt and he does have a fine line of

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haircare products down I had to say it I

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01:27:36,820 --> 01:27:33,140
had to say Don Schmidt is our guest his

1752
01:27:38,380 --> 01:27:36,830
new book is the cover-up at Roswell more

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01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:38,390
with Don right after this short break

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01:27:44,490 --> 01:27:54,230
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01:32:13,700 --> 01:32:10,730
all right welcome back Faye the black

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our guest tonight Don Schmidt discussing

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his new book cover up at Roswell

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I'm your host Jimmy church this is fade

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read the book but you did I want to

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discuss your chapter searching for the

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Holy Grail and and tech sergeant Stephen

1840
01:32:49,570 --> 01:32:45,780
Aikens and that story burnt the

1841
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:49,580
incredible chapter tell us about that

1842
01:32:56,590 --> 01:32:53,850
well Aikens was stationed at Cannon Air

1843
01:33:01,850 --> 01:32:56,600
Force Base in Clovis New Mexico

1844
01:33:04,670 --> 01:33:01,860
northeast of Roswell and he described in

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01:33:08,090 --> 01:33:04,680
the late 1970s that he was ordered to

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check a car out of the motor pool that

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01:33:13,970 --> 01:33:11,610
he'd be taking a drive off the base and

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01:33:17,210 --> 01:33:13,980
there were two high-ranking officers one

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01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:17,220
was a full-bird colonel who his

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impression was they came in from

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Washington and he was to drive them to

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an undisclosed location and they went

1853
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:31,860
via Roswell as though which is a turns

1854
01:33:36,050 --> 01:33:34,110
always kind of a long way they made a

1855
01:33:39,110 --> 01:33:36,060
circle but the point being that they

1856
01:33:41,900 --> 01:33:39,120
drove to the southwest in the Roswell

1857
01:33:45,110 --> 01:33:41,910
they grab some lunch there according to

1858
01:33:51,170 --> 01:33:45,120
Aikens and then they headed out into the

1859
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:51,180
desert and they arrived the officers

1860
01:33:56,450 --> 01:33:53,730
kept looking at maps between the two of

1861
01:33:58,340 --> 01:33:56,460
them and they didn't really say anything

1862
01:34:00,080 --> 01:33:58,350
to him at all it was basically just

1863
01:34:03,470 --> 01:34:00,090
drive the car and keep your mouth shut

1864
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:03,480
and they arrived at this this high

1865
01:34:09,020 --> 01:34:06,090
desert this open range

1866
01:34:12,620 --> 01:34:09,030
this was area and they got out they

1867
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:12,630
walked around for a bit and they they

1868
01:34:17,380 --> 01:34:15,210
finally got back into the vehicle and at

1869
01:34:19,190 --> 01:34:17,390
that point Aikens finally said you know

1870
01:34:21,050 --> 01:34:19,200
what's this all about

1871
01:34:26,150 --> 01:34:21,060
you know what

1872
01:34:28,490 --> 01:34:26,160
what's important about this site and it

1873
01:34:30,350 --> 01:34:28,500
was that point that the colonel sitting

1874
01:34:33,740 --> 01:34:30,360
next to him in the front seat made the

1875
01:34:35,420 --> 01:34:33,750
comment that this is where allegedly you

1876
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:35,430
know a flying saucer crashed back in

1877
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:40,410
back in the 40s and Aikens really you

1878
01:34:47,390 --> 01:34:43,770
know had no prior knowledge of Roswell

1879
01:34:51,020 --> 01:34:47,400
or anything of that sort but once they

1880
01:34:53,150 --> 01:34:51,030
arrived back at the base he was told by

1881
01:34:55,460 --> 01:34:53,160
the same Colonel now we didn't go

1882
01:34:57,260 --> 01:34:55,470
anywhere you didn't see anything you

1883
01:35:00,710 --> 01:34:57,270
didn't hear anything it was a non-event

1884
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:00,720
and you know you know you'd be best to

1885
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:04,170
keep your mouth shut so this was 30

1886
01:35:09,650 --> 01:35:06,690
years after the incident and then we

1887
01:35:12,050 --> 01:35:09,660
have other incidents of where the ranch

1888
01:35:15,980 --> 01:35:12,060
owner and his hired hands have caught

1889
01:35:18,290 --> 01:35:15,990
Air Force personnel on at the site over

1890
01:35:24,650 --> 01:35:18,300
the next 10 years up until the late

1891
01:35:27,890 --> 01:35:24,660
1980s still nosing around out there it's

1892
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:27,900
again it's open range it's high desert

1893
01:35:34,430 --> 01:35:30,330
there's not so much as even a landmark

1894
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:34,440
out there and what are they still

1895
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:37,170
looking for and I can hardly believe

1896
01:35:41,950 --> 01:35:38,730
they're looking for pieces of a weather

1897
01:35:46,820 --> 01:35:41,960
balloon says though they're either

1898
01:35:49,370 --> 01:35:46,830
curious as to coming across the file and

1899
01:35:51,860 --> 01:35:49,380
you know they want to go you know

1900
01:35:53,950 --> 01:35:51,870
check it out themselves or they're still

1901
01:35:57,470 --> 01:35:53,960
inspecting they're still making sure

1902
01:36:01,730 --> 01:35:57,480
that everything remains co-presented

1903
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:01,740
after all this time one of the amazing

1904
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:06,090
things about Roswell and New Mexico and

1905
01:36:09,980 --> 01:36:08,250
I'm talking about the geography unless

1906
01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:09,990
you've been there you don't really get

1907
01:36:19,190 --> 01:36:14,960
it it is wide open and there is nothing

1908
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:19,200
nothing that nothing there oh I gotta

1909
01:36:25,070 --> 01:36:22,650
tell you can I tell you a story hey I

1910
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:25,080
got to tell you Roswell story okay

1911
01:36:30,410 --> 01:36:27,090
you'll appreciate everything I'm about

1912
01:36:33,170 --> 01:36:30,420
to say to you Rita and I we arrived in

1913
01:36:34,469 --> 01:36:33,180
Albuquerque at night and we take off and

1914
01:36:38,330 --> 01:36:34,479
we're driving down to Roswell

1915
01:36:40,979 --> 01:36:38,340
and as we get on the main freeway

1916
01:36:43,589 --> 01:36:40,989
they're out of Albuquerque and we start

1917
01:36:47,189 --> 01:36:43,599
to head south and and we cut through the

1918
01:36:49,709 --> 01:36:47,199
last we pass you know the last gas

1919
01:36:52,290 --> 01:36:49,719
station or McDonald's or whatever and we

1920
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:52,300
pull into the desert it's at night it's

1921
01:36:57,989 --> 01:36:55,360
you know 10:30 11 o'clock at night

1922
01:37:01,140 --> 01:36:57,999
closing in on midnight and it's black

1923
01:37:04,890 --> 01:37:01,150
and when is black it's black black and

1924
01:37:07,739 --> 01:37:04,900
and I have to express to everybody to

1925
01:37:10,350 --> 01:37:07,749
your left and to your right there are no

1926
01:37:12,089 --> 01:37:10,360
houses there are no radio towers off in

1927
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:12,099
the distance with lights on it there's

1928
01:37:18,629 --> 01:37:16,090
and nothing that indicates life anywhere

1929
01:37:21,870 --> 01:37:18,639
it is black there's no lights on the

1930
01:37:24,149 --> 01:37:21,880
freeway there's nothing back right and

1931
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:24,159
there's nothing there it's like a David

1932
01:37:31,140 --> 01:37:27,489
Lynch film right there's nothing there

1933
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:31,150
but our headlights on the freeway right

1934
01:37:37,319 --> 01:37:34,570
okay so we got this big bad car you know

1935
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:37,329
this is rental and we're and we're

1936
01:37:43,020 --> 01:37:41,050
cruising and my speed is going faster

1937
01:37:45,209 --> 01:37:43,030
and faster I'm the only car there's no

1938
01:37:49,379 --> 01:37:45,219
cars passing us in the other way right

1939
01:37:51,839 --> 01:37:49,389
did we're alone and and I'm creeping up

1940
01:37:53,430 --> 01:37:51,849
and I'm going faster and faster and I

1941
01:37:56,069 --> 01:37:53,440
kind of look down I'm doing 100 miles an

1942
01:37:58,729 --> 01:37:56,079
hour but it's easily yes yet easily

1943
01:38:01,169 --> 01:37:58,739
because it's flat and straight and

1944
01:38:03,989 --> 01:38:01,179
there's just nothing that you know and

1945
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:03,999
and Reid and I are laughing hahaha it's

1946
01:38:08,879 --> 01:38:05,679
like a David Lynch film this is great

1947
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:08,889
you know it Edie and and you know 100

1948
01:38:14,459 --> 01:38:12,610
hundred five hundred ten just having a

1949
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:14,469
good time got the stereo cranked up and

1950
01:38:20,399 --> 01:38:16,570
at that moment

1951
01:38:25,469 --> 01:38:20,409
daaad on everything that I love this is

1952
01:38:30,839 --> 01:38:25,479
what happens in our lane in our lane in

1953
01:38:33,779 --> 01:38:30,849
front of us is a semi truck tire yes and

1954
01:38:36,989 --> 01:38:33,789
we're doing a hundred and 215 miles an

1955
01:38:40,500 --> 01:38:36,999
hour and it's lying in the middle of now

1956
01:38:42,029 --> 01:38:40,510
I see it for all of one second because

1957
01:38:44,129 --> 01:38:42,039
there's no lights there's nothing there

1958
01:38:47,220 --> 01:38:44,139
right it's just a headlight right and I

1959
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:47,230
add a hundred miles of power of

1960
01:38:55,380 --> 01:38:52,210
in 10 I run over it now how we didn't

1961
01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:55,390
roll over 50 times and end up in the

1962
01:39:01,560 --> 01:38:57,489
desert it never to be seen or found

1963
01:39:02,610 --> 01:39:01,570
again because there's nothing there is

1964
01:39:06,300 --> 01:39:02,620
beyond me

1965
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:06,310
and we launched up in the air land back

1966
01:39:12,750 --> 01:39:09,310
down in the freeway and look at each

1967
01:39:14,820 --> 01:39:12,760
other and have a heart attack and it was

1968
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:14,830
like a David Lynch film it all played

1969
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:15,040
out

1970
01:39:22,290 --> 01:39:19,450
so anyway ok yeah yeah exactly so we

1971
01:39:24,060 --> 01:39:22,300
drive the hour into into Roswell doing

1972
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:24,070
the double nickel now I'm doing 55

1973
01:39:30,810 --> 01:39:28,330
mountain on the car oh you're holding

1974
01:39:34,340 --> 01:39:30,820
your eyes open the car is all broken

1975
01:39:37,700 --> 01:39:34,350
into pieces and we somehow get it into

1976
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:37,710
rocks well we go to the roswell museum

1977
01:39:42,780 --> 01:39:40,090
and I'm talking to one of the guys there

1978
01:39:46,590 --> 01:39:42,790
that works there and I said hey man I

1979
01:39:50,250 --> 01:39:48,690
I got a guy man right here he's my guys

1980
01:39:52,410 --> 01:39:50,260
right across street just drive overs

1981
01:39:54,810 --> 01:39:52,420
names whatever you know Mario and and

1982
01:39:57,420 --> 01:39:54,820
and and go check them out he's cool so

1983
01:40:01,560 --> 01:39:57,430
we drive over this is how cool Roswell

1984
01:40:02,670 --> 01:40:01,570
is we pull in and and I tell the guy you

1985
01:40:04,410 --> 01:40:02,680
know we're in from out of town we're

1986
01:40:06,690 --> 01:40:04,420
here for the festival he goes okay okay

1987
01:40:10,260 --> 01:40:06,700
all right you know puts it up on the

1988
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:10,270
lift look at you know and and puts

1989
01:40:16,020 --> 01:40:13,690
band-aids on everything and lowers the

1990
01:40:17,820 --> 01:40:16,030
car down and it goes there we go I said

1991
01:40:18,420 --> 01:40:17,830
how much he goes no man it's on the

1992
01:40:22,020 --> 01:40:18,430
house

1993
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:22,030
I said widest exact you know I'm like

1994
01:40:28,260 --> 01:40:24,400
man you know and I wouldn't happen

1995
01:40:30,060 --> 01:40:28,270
anywhere you knew no no no no and I

1996
01:40:31,590 --> 01:40:30,070
flipped the guy you know 40 bucks or

1997
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:31,600
sometimes to buy everybody lunch here

1998
01:40:37,890 --> 01:40:33,850
come on you know and we left without how

1999
01:40:39,930 --> 01:40:37,900
this this town is wonderful I mean we

2000
01:40:42,420 --> 01:40:39,940
went through a very bad experience and

2001
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:42,430
read and I learned our lesson that night

2002
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:45,010
and it's all about the speed limit after

2003
01:40:52,170 --> 01:40:48,210
that but so anyway back to the story

2004
01:40:55,770 --> 01:40:52,180
they could have taken advantage and it's

2005
01:41:00,810 --> 01:40:55,780
a primary example and we've often heard

2006
01:41:03,959 --> 01:41:00,820
how you know a handshake is your word

2007
01:41:07,979 --> 01:41:03,969
in New Mexico that when you know these

2008
01:41:11,310 --> 01:41:07,989
people tell you something it's you

2009
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:11,320
better take it as it stands because I'm

2010
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:14,170
not going to repeat it because you're

2011
01:41:17,729 --> 01:41:15,730
not going to insult me by even

2012
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:17,739
suggesting for a moment that I'm not

2013
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:18,610
telling you the truth

2014
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:21,449
that's right and the people of Roswell

2015
01:41:28,319 --> 01:41:24,730
it was just an amazing experience the

2016
01:41:29,970 --> 01:41:28,329
the calling into small-town atmosphere

2017
01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:29,980
is not fair

2018
01:41:36,419 --> 01:41:32,110
you know it's just not it's not right

2019
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:36,429
but just a great you know a great town

2020
01:41:41,100 --> 01:41:39,250
so then as we leave Roswell four or five

2021
01:41:44,220 --> 01:41:41,110
days later and we split we're going back

2022
01:41:47,339 --> 01:41:44,230
to Albuquerque now we're driving in the

2023
01:41:50,189 --> 01:41:47,349
daytime and we're looking now to the

2024
01:41:54,209 --> 01:41:50,199
left and to the right and there is truly

2025
01:41:56,430 --> 01:41:54,219
nothing there there's nothing there is

2026
01:41:58,919 --> 01:41:56,440
nothing there so if you are going to

2027
01:42:01,830 --> 01:41:58,929
cover something up you have the perfect

2028
01:42:03,450 --> 01:42:01,840
opportunity that's why the missile

2029
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:03,460
testing is done there that's why all the

2030
01:42:07,490 --> 01:42:05,170
secret stuff is going on there that's

2031
01:42:10,500 --> 01:42:07,500
why you have Alamogordo and you have

2032
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:10,510
Sandia Labs right you have all the

2033
01:42:15,839 --> 01:42:13,690
secrecy going on because there's simply

2034
01:42:19,620 --> 01:42:15,849
nothing there and if you're going to

2035
01:42:21,629 --> 01:42:19,630
cover something up I can see now how the

2036
01:42:23,850 --> 01:42:21,639
entire thing was pulled off I can

2037
01:42:24,780 --> 01:42:23,860
totally see it you're not you're not

2038
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:24,790
going to go out there and investigate

2039
01:42:31,319 --> 01:42:27,520
you can't it's too wide open it's too

2040
01:42:34,979 --> 01:42:31,329
huge you class you can't stumble upon

2041
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:34,989
the site be your own you can't its hume

2042
01:42:38,580 --> 01:42:36,250
you're not going to find in my own

2043
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:38,590
partner Tom Kerry could not find his way

2044
01:42:44,510 --> 01:42:40,690
out there today and he's been out there

2045
01:42:47,339 --> 01:42:44,520
two dozen times right for all of these

2046
01:42:48,990 --> 01:42:47,349
authors and researchers that you know

2047
01:42:51,839 --> 01:42:49,000
provide us with the theories of the

2048
01:42:53,939 --> 01:42:51,849
month as we call them they've never been

2049
01:42:58,350 --> 01:42:53,949
out there or they've been out there and

2050
01:43:01,200 --> 01:42:58,360
they don't grasp the wide openness that

2051
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:01,210
you yourself witnessed you know we've

2052
01:43:08,010 --> 01:43:04,719
been we've been over the area in small

2053
01:43:10,350 --> 01:43:08,020
planes and helicopters and one thing

2054
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:10,360
becomes immediately evident is that once

2055
01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:12,489
you are airborne you can see for a

2056
01:43:17,050 --> 01:43:14,000
hundred miles

2057
01:43:19,030 --> 01:43:17,060
and a very thought that well it was

2058
01:43:20,740 --> 01:43:19,040
something we were testing or it was

2059
01:43:22,990 --> 01:43:20,750
something you know that went awry

2060
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:23,000
something that went off course it was a

2061
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:25,610
mogul balloon and they just never were

2062
01:43:29,530 --> 01:43:26,810
able to find it

2063
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:29,540
I'm sorry sports fans they would have

2064
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:31,610
found it before the rancher even did

2065
01:43:37,810 --> 01:43:34,130
because again it's totally unobscured

2066
01:43:40,630 --> 01:43:37,820
its high desert it's wide open range and

2067
01:43:43,180 --> 01:43:40,640
the point being as we even you know

2068
01:43:45,130 --> 01:43:43,190
emphasize is in the movie

2069
01:43:49,090 --> 01:43:45,140
Roswell which was based on our first

2070
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:49,100
book nothing was missing and if we

2071
01:43:52,750 --> 01:43:50,810
weren't looking for anything it's

2072
01:43:55,930 --> 01:43:52,760
because we weren't missing anything and

2073
01:43:56,890 --> 01:43:55,940
it wasn't ours then it was somebody

2074
01:43:59,500 --> 01:43:56,900
else's

2075
01:44:03,550 --> 01:43:59,510
now what about and when we're talking

2076
01:44:07,540 --> 01:44:03,560
about cover-ups you know we have two or

2077
01:44:10,570 --> 01:44:07,550
three maybe more sites out there where

2078
01:44:13,180 --> 01:44:10,580
there are is evidence and some of it

2079
01:44:15,460 --> 01:44:13,190
pretty strong today there's you know you

2080
01:44:17,890 --> 01:44:15,470
know a lot of stuff has been coming

2081
01:44:21,940 --> 01:44:17,900
forward of other crash sites out there

2082
01:44:23,860 --> 01:44:21,950
that were also covered up in its

2083
01:44:27,310 --> 01:44:23,870
totality what do you think was going on

2084
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:27,320
there was it interference with our radar

2085
01:44:32,440 --> 01:44:29,570
was it bad weather were they struck by

2086
01:44:35,380 --> 01:44:32,450
lightning did they get shot down what do

2087
01:44:38,170 --> 01:44:35,390
you think is going on those are all

2088
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:38,180
theories but the one and the only thing

2089
01:44:45,130 --> 01:44:42,170
that we're able to substantiate and it

2090
01:44:47,950 --> 01:44:45,140
was from the very weather records at the

2091
01:44:51,340 --> 01:44:47,960
time that there was indeed a severe

2092
01:44:54,550 --> 01:44:51,350
lightning storm the the night in

2093
01:44:57,100 --> 01:44:54,560
question throughout that region and that

2094
01:44:57,850 --> 01:44:57,110
was the same day that mr. mrs. Daniel

2095
01:45:01,360 --> 01:44:57,860
Wilmont

2096
01:45:04,810 --> 01:45:01,370
of Roswell from their porch you know

2097
01:45:08,260 --> 01:45:04,820
about 9:30 that evening observed a disc

2098
01:45:11,260 --> 01:45:08,270
you know pass over Roswell at some

2099
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:11,270
altitude moving up towards the Northwest

2100
01:45:18,670 --> 01:45:15,410
in that general vicinity and then the

2101
01:45:21,070 --> 01:45:18,680
ranchers would describe between the

2102
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:21,080
thunderclaps of the storm that evening

2103
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:26,090
what sounded like an explosion and so

2104
01:45:31,540 --> 01:45:27,890
it's the next morning that the ranch

2105
01:45:35,470 --> 01:45:31,550
discovers the huge debris field and when

2106
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:35,480
major Marcel who was led out there once

2107
01:45:40,180 --> 01:45:37,730
again they weren't going to find this on

2108
01:45:43,540 --> 01:45:40,190
their own they were let out there by the

2109
01:45:46,210 --> 01:45:43,550
rancher and the first impression that

2110
01:45:49,270 --> 01:45:46,220
Jess Marcel had was that this was a

2111
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:49,280
mid-air explosion that by the very

2112
01:45:56,230 --> 01:45:52,400
pattern of the way the debris had rained

2113
01:45:58,960 --> 01:45:56,240
across that range in that fan pattern

2114
01:46:02,380 --> 01:45:58,970
about three-quarters of a mile long

2115
01:46:05,260 --> 01:46:02,390
that it demonstrated that nothing had

2116
01:46:08,250 --> 01:46:05,270
impacted that that that's something had

2117
01:46:10,900 --> 01:46:08,260
actually exploded at some altitude

2118
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:10,910
raining debris down on that site there

2119
01:46:16,180 --> 01:46:13,250
was a secondary body sight about two and

2120
01:46:19,210 --> 01:46:16,190
a half miles from that debris field and

2121
01:46:22,390 --> 01:46:19,220
it was a final impact site much closer

2122
01:46:24,550 --> 01:46:22,400
to Roswell another twenty five miles

2123
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:24,560
from there along that same trajectory

2124
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:29,570
that same line and that's where the the

2125
01:46:34,770 --> 01:46:32,330
remains of the capsule the pod the cabin

2126
01:46:37,870 --> 01:46:34,780
about the size of a Volkswagen Beetle

2127
01:46:41,770 --> 01:46:37,880
egg-shaped and as for the remains of the

2128
01:46:43,690 --> 01:46:41,780
crew were recovered and one of the

2129
01:46:47,740 --> 01:46:43,700
reasons that we kept looking much closer

2130
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:47,750
to Roswell was once we learn that the

2131
01:46:53,500 --> 01:46:50,930
fire department and as well as the

2132
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:53,510
Sheriff's Department were involved it

2133
01:47:01,390 --> 01:46:56,090
would have had to have been within their

2134
01:47:04,930 --> 01:47:01,400
County jurisdiction and the debris field

2135
01:47:06,370 --> 01:47:04,940
is in Lincoln County New Mexico out of

2136
01:47:09,250 --> 01:47:06,380
their territory out of their

2137
01:47:12,850 --> 01:47:09,260
jurisdiction whereas the location of the

2138
01:47:17,230 --> 01:47:12,860
impact site is in Chavez County which is

2139
01:47:20,890 --> 01:47:17,240
in Roswell as jurisdiction so you see

2140
01:47:24,310 --> 01:47:20,900
how even as investigators that we we

2141
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:24,320
realize that we had to again pull this

2142
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:27,290
all together and find the witnesses that

2143
01:47:32,020 --> 01:47:29,570
could provide us with further

2144
01:47:36,040 --> 01:47:32,030
substantiation corroboration all those

2145
01:47:41,219 --> 01:47:36,050
multiple sites now the what what about

2146
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:41,229
Corona and an Aztec real event

2147
01:47:45,870 --> 01:47:43,030
well Corona would be the debris field

2148
01:47:50,580 --> 01:47:45,880
okay Corona would be the debris field

2149
01:47:55,620 --> 01:47:50,590
and I have a the major problem I have

2150
01:47:59,609 --> 01:47:55,630
with Aztec is the size of the craft the

2151
01:48:02,509 --> 01:47:59,619
descriptions and as far as I understand

2152
01:48:05,669 --> 01:48:02,519
all you know all from second third hand

2153
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:05,679
eyewitnesses unlike Roswell where we

2154
01:48:11,029 --> 01:48:07,690
have we've interviewed over a hundred

2155
01:48:15,719 --> 01:48:11,039
first ten witnesses and the a stochastic

2156
01:48:20,729 --> 01:48:15,729
craft that if this object was a hundred

2157
01:48:23,759 --> 01:48:20,739
feet in diameter how in God's name do

2158
01:48:27,239 --> 01:48:23,769
you transport that away from that

2159
01:48:32,270 --> 01:48:27,249
location I don't care how many flatbeds

2160
01:48:35,250 --> 01:48:32,280
you have a hundred feet in diameter and

2161
01:48:36,810 --> 01:48:35,260
well if it was a weather balloon yeah if

2162
01:48:37,979 --> 01:48:36,820
it was a weather balloon you wadded up

2163
01:48:40,259 --> 01:48:37,989
in a ball and you throw it in the

2164
01:48:40,799 --> 01:48:40,269
backseat and you get out of there well

2165
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:40,809
that's right

2166
01:48:46,529 --> 01:48:43,570
and whereas Roswell we don't have

2167
01:48:49,379 --> 01:48:46,539
anything near that size as I said even

2168
01:48:52,229 --> 01:48:49,389
the remains of the craft the pot the

2169
01:48:55,319 --> 01:48:52,239
capsule at the impact site was about the

2170
01:48:58,529 --> 01:48:55,329
size of a Volkswagen Beetle and from all

2171
01:49:04,919 --> 01:48:58,539
accounts it neatly fit on the flatbed of

2172
01:49:08,939 --> 01:49:04,929
a laudable oh boy truck Aztec I'm very

2173
01:49:12,239 --> 01:49:08,949
skeptical although I frankly I also

2174
01:49:15,060 --> 01:49:12,249
don't have to concede if I accept

2175
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:15,070
Roswell then I have to accept that

2176
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:18,489
everything else is possible now with um

2177
01:49:23,790 --> 01:49:22,239
you you have a chapter in the book and

2178
01:49:26,069 --> 01:49:23,800
we'll talk more about this after the

2179
01:49:29,279 --> 01:49:26,079
break but you have a chapter in the book

2180
01:49:31,169 --> 01:49:29,289
called the the 20 most asked questions

2181
01:49:34,199 --> 01:49:31,179
about Roswell or something similar to

2182
01:49:36,419 --> 01:49:34,209
that and as I and I got that I was like

2183
01:49:39,149 --> 01:49:36,429
Don this is a very smart thing to do

2184
01:49:40,620 --> 01:49:39,159
right it was actually pretty smart and I

2185
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:40,630
was reading through the questions and I

2186
01:49:46,949 --> 01:49:43,209
have these are all the questions that we

2187
01:49:49,859 --> 01:49:46,959
all have one of them and I really want

2188
01:49:54,209 --> 01:49:49,869
to go into this in depth is is perfect

2189
01:49:54,780 --> 01:49:54,219
which is we have all of the the folding

2190
01:49:58,620 --> 01:49:54,790
and unfolding

2191
01:50:00,900 --> 01:49:58,630
folding of the the mysterious metal and

2192
01:50:02,550 --> 01:50:00,910
and how you couldn't tear it you

2193
01:50:04,110 --> 01:50:02,560
couldn't burn it you couldn't do you can

2194
01:50:06,420 --> 01:50:04,120
you know it was industrial but yet you

2195
01:50:08,460 --> 01:50:06,430
could wad it up in the ball throw it on

2196
01:50:10,590 --> 01:50:08,470
the table it would unfold an and lay

2197
01:50:14,340 --> 01:50:10,600
flat we've we've all heard the reports

2198
01:50:20,220 --> 01:50:14,350
but how does material like that shred

2199
01:50:23,310 --> 01:50:20,230
into a debris field yes exactly and and

2200
01:50:25,610 --> 01:50:23,320
quite simply first of all we've never

2201
01:50:28,440 --> 01:50:25,620
described the material as indestructible

2202
01:50:30,690 --> 01:50:28,450
now we use the term nearly

2203
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:30,700
indestructible based on you know our

2204
01:50:37,020 --> 01:50:33,760
earthly terms so to speak and the

2205
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:37,030
explanation it quite simple is if you

2206
01:50:44,460 --> 01:50:40,960
compare our materials today juxtaposed

2207
01:50:47,580 --> 01:50:44,470
to 1947 we've made tremendous advances

2208
01:50:49,950 --> 01:50:47,590
the polymer is the you know even the

2209
01:50:52,050 --> 01:50:49,960
materials that we we use as far as

2210
01:50:53,630 --> 01:50:52,060
within aircraft and our automobiles and

2211
01:50:56,430 --> 01:50:53,640
everything that we made tremendous

2212
01:50:59,340 --> 01:50:56,440
breakthroughs and we're getting stronger

2213
01:51:01,980 --> 01:50:59,350
and stronger at with lighter and thinner

2214
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:01,990
material well anything that's

2215
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:04,930
manufactured has a fracture point if it

2216
01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:08,410
can be assembled it can be disassembled

2217
01:51:15,210 --> 01:51:12,130
and whatever this wreckage was it's

2218
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:15,220
fracture point it's breaking point

2219
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:17,650
just happen to be much higher than ours

2220
01:51:23,670 --> 01:51:21,610
at the time and whatever caused it to

2221
01:51:27,930 --> 01:51:23,680
explode whatever caused it whether it

2222
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:27,940
was struck by lightning or a internal

2223
01:51:35,010 --> 01:51:31,810
malfunction who knows that it reached

2224
01:51:38,250 --> 01:51:35,020
that point that it caused it to fracture

2225
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:38,260
it caused the break-up much higher than

2226
01:51:43,710 --> 01:51:41,770
our own back then but and it still may

2227
01:51:47,100 --> 01:51:43,720
be much higher than then ours even in

2228
01:51:48,990 --> 01:51:47,110
2017 but nonetheless it reached that

2229
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:49,000
fracture point cause of the break-up

2230
01:51:56,550 --> 01:51:52,090
nearly indestructible not indestructible

2231
01:51:58,650 --> 01:51:56,560
no I mark just sent this questioning

2232
01:52:01,590 --> 01:51:58,660
from Australia he says there's testimony

2233
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:01,600
that a pilot was given permission to

2234
01:52:07,799 --> 01:52:05,410
deploy a weapon on the Roswell craft

2235
01:52:12,359 --> 01:52:07,809
what's your take on that

2236
01:52:13,260 --> 01:52:12,369
well if he possesses such information I

2237
01:52:16,250 --> 01:52:13,270
would love to see it

2238
01:52:19,290 --> 01:52:16,260
that's a witness that we've had

2239
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:19,300
speculation that we shot it down or as

2240
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:21,010
you mentioned earlier that it was

2241
01:52:27,270 --> 01:52:23,770
because of the the radar facilities at

2242
01:52:29,299 --> 01:52:27,280
that time white sands proving grounds

2243
01:52:33,470 --> 01:52:29,309
had probably the most sophisticated

2244
01:52:37,790 --> 01:52:33,480
radar tracking system at that time

2245
01:52:41,129 --> 01:52:37,800
Roswell and I mentioned like canon in

2246
01:52:42,060 --> 01:52:41,139
Clovis New Mexico even Kirtland up in

2247
01:52:45,689 --> 01:52:42,070
Albuquerque

2248
01:52:48,899 --> 01:52:45,699
they had radar facilities radar systems

2249
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:48,909
that only track incoming not outgoing

2250
01:52:54,660 --> 01:52:52,960
we're white sands had both so it was the

2251
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:54,670
most sophisticated at the time and so

2252
01:53:02,100 --> 01:52:57,280
it's been suggested that maybe radar

2253
01:53:06,180 --> 01:53:02,110
brought the object down if Martin has

2254
01:53:09,779 --> 01:53:06,190
any information to to that extent I

2255
01:53:12,899 --> 01:53:09,789
would love to see that and you know feel

2256
01:53:15,359 --> 01:53:12,909
free to provide him with my my email

2257
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:15,369
information because I'd like to

2258
01:53:21,209 --> 01:53:19,090
establish some conversation in the in

2259
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:21,219
that regard I wanted to go back really

2260
01:53:27,540 --> 01:53:25,360
quick before this break have you been

2261
01:53:30,870 --> 01:53:27,550
able to with all of your research over

2262
01:53:34,620 --> 01:53:30,880
the years been able to find a direct

2263
01:53:39,649 --> 01:53:34,630
reference to either in the public domain

2264
01:53:43,319 --> 01:53:39,659
or or otherwise of a reference to

2265
01:53:46,109 --> 01:53:43,329
Roswell in a book in a conversation of

2266
01:53:49,200 --> 01:53:46,119
you know before 1980 and I'm referring

2267
01:53:52,290 --> 01:53:49,210
to like the 1960s or 1950s where there

2268
01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:52,300
was a direct you know I was there I did

2269
01:53:58,859 --> 01:53:56,050
this but the comment was from the 60s or

2270
01:54:02,240 --> 01:53:58,869
the 50s well there were books like Frank

2271
01:54:07,080 --> 01:54:02,250
Edwards flying saucers serious business

2272
01:54:10,100 --> 01:54:07,090
that makes a mention of a crash in New

2273
01:54:13,350 --> 01:54:10,110
Mexico a Harold Wilkins

2274
01:54:16,649 --> 01:54:13,360
book I can't think of the title offhand

2275
01:54:17,640 --> 01:54:16,659
I think it was a tax matter space

2276
01:54:20,850 --> 01:54:17,650
something like that

2277
01:54:21,570 --> 01:54:20,860
and he makes reference to the alleged

2278
01:54:25,950 --> 01:54:21,580
crash

2279
01:54:29,190 --> 01:54:25,960
um there were a few other slight

2280
01:54:32,460 --> 01:54:29,200
references and I think most of most

2281
01:54:36,060 --> 01:54:32,470
significantly was a reporter

2282
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:36,070
Lydia sleppy who worked for Associated

2283
01:54:43,140 --> 01:54:39,840
Press out of the Albuquerque office and

2284
01:54:48,510 --> 01:54:43,150
she was she did an interview with

2285
01:54:50,850 --> 01:54:48,520
Friedman in the early 70s so you know a

2286
01:54:53,490 --> 01:54:50,860
good six years before or five years

2287
01:54:56,760 --> 01:54:53,500
before just Marcel mm-hm and talked

2288
01:54:59,610 --> 01:54:56,770
about her receiving the phone call from

2289
01:55:04,110 --> 01:54:59,620
a reporter by the name of Johnny mcpoyle

2290
01:55:06,540 --> 01:55:04,120
at Kay SWS in Roswell about this

2291
01:55:08,700 --> 01:55:06,550
late-breaking story they tried to put it

2292
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:08,710
out over the wire service and it was

2293
01:55:13,530 --> 01:55:11,490
immediately intercepted by the FBI

2294
01:55:15,930 --> 01:55:13,540
stopping the transmission do not

2295
01:55:20,030 --> 01:55:15,940
continue this transmission and citing

2296
01:55:22,740 --> 01:55:20,040
national security act and so that was

2297
01:55:25,740 --> 01:55:22,750
before Roswell incident I was before the

2298
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:25,750
book and so again it was just a matter

2299
01:55:31,890 --> 01:55:30,010
of people listening and and the

2300
01:55:35,460 --> 01:55:31,900
floodgates you know essentially being

2301
01:55:37,620 --> 01:55:35,470
ready to open yeah I there a there is I

2302
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:37,630
know that it's out there there there

2303
01:55:42,030 --> 01:55:40,090
will be a smoking gun and it's not going

2304
01:55:43,710 --> 01:55:42,040
to come out of the Pentagon I think that

2305
01:55:47,010 --> 01:55:43,720
there's going to be something else out

2306
01:55:47,820 --> 01:55:47,020
there that was you know just overlooked

2307
01:55:50,130 --> 01:55:47,830
and forgotten

2308
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:50,140
throughout history where we can just go

2309
01:55:55,890 --> 01:55:51,850
hey wait a minute here

2310
01:55:57,810 --> 01:55:55,900
this guy talked about it in 1951 you

2311
01:56:00,870 --> 01:55:57,820
know or something like that and I know

2312
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:00,880
that it has to be out there somewhere

2313
01:56:06,030 --> 01:56:03,730
I'm never I talk to you about this all

2314
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:06,040
the time you know the audience leaves

2315
01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:08,560
understand that Don and I talk about the

2316
01:56:13,290 --> 01:56:11,650
subject constantly and and it's going to

2317
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:13,300
it's going to surface I'm going to keep

2318
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:15,730
my foot on the gas one time Don

2319
01:56:19,380 --> 01:56:17,410
somebody's going to be listening to you

2320
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:19,390
and I and something's going to happen

2321
01:56:23,630 --> 01:56:21,730
for us you just wait our guest tonight

2322
01:56:27,540 --> 01:56:23,640
and we're not going to run over a tire

2323
01:56:29,959 --> 01:56:27,550
shuffle oh let's just fade to black our

2324
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:29,969
guest Don Schmidt we'll be right back

2325
01:56:38,299 --> 01:56:31,920
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2326
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the road with limited data or Wi-Fi

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available you can still listen to every

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minute I paid to black by just calling

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six oh five five six two four four eight

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two no smartphone app or internet needed

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it saves your data plan and no extra

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cost if you have unlimited minutes just

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01:59:48,290 --> 01:59:45,690
eight two you can listen to me Jimmy

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01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:48,300
Church on any phone anytime anywhere

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01:59:59,150 --> 01:59:50,570
Gobekli Tepe

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02:00:05,550 --> 02:00:01,290
you want to know a secret

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02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:05,560
I love ponies I really love ponies I'm

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02:00:13,020 --> 02:00:08,530
serious I couldn't stay sane without

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02:00:18,280 --> 02:00:13,030
poor mr. Bush why fade to black because

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02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:20,360
this is fade to black

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02:00:25,970 --> 02:00:22,290
with Jimmy Church on the game changer

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02:00:28,360 --> 02:00:25,980
radio network and kgr a the global radio

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02:00:40,260 --> 02:00:28,370
alliance

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[Music]

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02:00:44,350 --> 02:00:42,679
welcome back fade to black our guest

2417
02:00:46,360 --> 02:00:44,360
tonight Don Schmidt talking about his

2418
02:00:48,810 --> 02:00:46,370
new book cover up at Roswell it's a

2419
02:00:51,310 --> 02:00:48,820
great read you can get it on Amazon and

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02:00:52,990 --> 02:00:51,320
the links for the book or override

2421
02:00:57,280 --> 02:00:53,000
immaturity of economy click right there

2422
02:00:59,709 --> 02:00:57,290
take you straight to Amazon now Don I'm

2423
02:01:01,060 --> 02:00:59,719
going to go through a few of these 20

2424
02:01:02,620 --> 02:01:01,070
questions because I think that they're

2425
02:01:07,689 --> 02:01:02,630
very pertinent and they need to be

2426
02:01:09,490 --> 02:01:07,699
addressed almost in its finality and but

2427
02:01:14,169 --> 02:01:09,500
one of the things in a more general

2428
02:01:17,410 --> 02:01:14,179
sense is what was going on the the first

2429
02:01:21,669 --> 02:01:17,420
week of July across this country it was

2430
02:01:25,510 --> 02:01:21,679
there were of a very very significant

2431
02:01:29,020 --> 02:01:25,520
events that happened that week what what

2432
02:01:31,209 --> 02:01:29,030
is up with the first week of July it was

2433
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:31,219
like an invasion I think any of your

2434
02:01:35,740 --> 02:01:33,770
listeners I often commented that if they

2435
02:01:38,380 --> 02:01:35,750
wanted to check out for themselves

2436
02:01:40,540 --> 02:01:38,390
they could go to any public library and

2437
02:01:44,410 --> 02:01:40,550
pull out all the microfilm and all the

2438
02:01:46,870 --> 02:01:44,420
microfiche and for the those two weeks

2439
02:01:50,050 --> 02:01:46,880
that last week of June yep through the

2440
02:01:53,439 --> 02:01:50,060
first week of July of 1947 and you would

2441
02:01:56,919 --> 02:01:53,449
see banner headline day after day after

2442
02:02:00,250 --> 02:01:56,929
day about the flying discs the arrival

2443
02:02:03,610 --> 02:02:00,260
of the flying saucers and in the Kenneth

2444
02:02:07,120 --> 02:02:03,620
Arnold sighting or Yakima Washington on

2445
02:02:09,669 --> 02:02:07,130
June 24th and really kicking it off and

2446
02:02:11,650 --> 02:02:09,679
his description of not the shape of the

2447
02:02:14,590 --> 02:02:11,660
craft that he witnessed but that they

2448
02:02:16,959 --> 02:02:14,600
they skipped like saucers across the

2449
02:02:20,169 --> 02:02:16,969
water as and there was a reporter by the

2450
02:02:23,680 --> 02:02:20,179
name of Bill Bichette at the org Orion

2451
02:02:28,209 --> 02:02:23,690
who then coined the phrase or the term

2452
02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:28,219
flying saucer and so it was the modern

2453
02:02:35,979 --> 02:02:32,210
age of UFOs that that was given birth

2454
02:02:38,200 --> 02:02:35,989
and the ways we discussed earlier the

2455
02:02:40,720 --> 02:02:38,210
way it all cut off immediately after

2456
02:02:43,270 --> 02:02:40,730
Roswell and I think part of that also

2457
02:02:45,880 --> 02:02:43,280
stem from the fact that the military was

2458
02:02:48,010 --> 02:02:45,890
putting on demonstrations all around the

2459
02:02:50,620 --> 02:02:48,020
country of this weather balloon with

2460
02:02:51,430 --> 02:02:50,630
these radar reflector kites trying to

2461
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:51,440
demonstrate

2462
02:02:57,070 --> 02:02:54,770
that at a certain altitude that as the

2463
02:03:00,310 --> 02:02:57,080
the air pressure would compress the

2464
02:03:03,010 --> 02:03:00,320
balloon and and create an ellipsoid

2465
02:03:05,650 --> 02:03:03,020
shape and that even the reflection off

2466
02:03:08,350 --> 02:03:05,660
the kites that it would give this

2467
02:03:11,800 --> 02:03:08,360
impression of this wingless tailless

2468
02:03:13,900 --> 02:03:11,810
craft at high altitude and what it never

2469
02:03:16,420 --> 02:03:13,910
addressed was the point that well but

2470
02:03:18,820 --> 02:03:16,430
Roswell it was on the ground in front of

2471
02:03:20,620 --> 02:03:18,830
you where you could pick it up and you

2472
02:03:23,530 --> 02:03:20,630
could see how it was just nothing more

2473
02:03:26,500 --> 02:03:23,540
than neoprene rubber and wooden sticks

2474
02:03:28,590 --> 02:03:26,510
and flimsy foil that just you know broke

2475
02:03:33,459 --> 02:03:28,600
right up in your hands as you you

2476
02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:33,469
crumbled it and again I was part of you

2477
02:03:39,820 --> 02:03:36,650
know the whole time frame back in that

2478
02:03:42,729 --> 02:03:39,830
summer of 1947 where you had this is

2479
02:03:46,120 --> 02:03:42,739
rash this flurry of sightings and

2480
02:03:48,939 --> 02:03:46,130
reports and even pilots who were ordered

2481
02:03:52,360 --> 02:03:48,949
to shoot one down because you know

2482
02:03:54,370 --> 02:03:52,370
nobody had any answers at that time we

2483
02:03:57,450 --> 02:03:54,380
didn't know if we were dealing with some

2484
02:04:00,610 --> 02:03:57,460
new Russian technology or even

2485
02:04:03,479 --> 02:04:00,620
technology from another country is you

2486
02:04:06,189 --> 02:04:03,489
know developed as far as captured German

2487
02:04:08,590 --> 02:04:06,199
technology that type of thing or it was

2488
02:04:11,260 --> 02:04:08,600
our own but nonetheless nobody was

2489
02:04:13,930 --> 02:04:11,270
providing any answers and then Roswell

2490
02:04:15,130 --> 02:04:13,940
happens and it was all they could do to

2491
02:04:17,350 --> 02:04:15,140
contain it

2492
02:04:21,880 --> 02:04:17,360
sweep it under the carpet with the hope

2493
02:04:25,420 --> 02:04:21,890
that they would you know develop an

2494
02:04:27,130 --> 02:04:25,430
origin come up with the answers as to a

2495
02:04:30,250 --> 02:04:27,140
solution as to what we were dealing with

2496
02:04:32,380 --> 02:04:30,260
and then putting on the demonstrations

2497
02:04:35,410 --> 02:04:32,390
trying to reiterate that not just

2498
02:04:37,750 --> 02:04:35,420
Roswell but all the flying discs at that

2499
02:04:41,680 --> 02:04:37,760
time could easily be explained away as

2500
02:04:44,350 --> 02:04:41,690
weather balloons and then we can ignore

2501
02:04:46,180 --> 02:04:44,360
I keep going back to this but history

2502
02:04:49,110 --> 02:04:46,190
has forgotten about the roads

2503
02:04:53,380 --> 02:04:49,120
photographs out of Phoenix and which

2504
02:04:57,520 --> 02:04:53,390
accurately depict exactly what Kenneth

2505
02:05:00,340 --> 02:04:57,530
Arnold had seen fascinating to me but

2506
02:05:02,709 --> 02:05:00,350
history now again that turned into be

2507
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:02,719
turned out to be a cover-up too as well

2508
02:05:08,170 --> 02:05:04,970
they confiscated the photographs

2509
02:05:12,060 --> 02:05:08,180
they did a character assassination on

2510
02:05:15,580 --> 02:05:12,070
him but for 1947 these photographs

2511
02:05:18,340 --> 02:05:15,590
definitely show a pretty pretty dang

2512
02:05:20,920 --> 02:05:18,350
cool advanced aircraft of some kind as

2513
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:20,930
you said photographs plural there were

2514
02:05:27,820 --> 02:05:24,410
two photographs and clearly a

2515
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:27,830
crescent-shaped object devoid of wings

2516
02:05:34,870 --> 02:05:32,570
tail we're talking 1947 and I think what

2517
02:05:40,950 --> 02:05:34,880
most even most ufologists aren't aware

2518
02:05:43,210 --> 02:05:40,960
of is that after Roswell Rhodes was then

2519
02:05:45,370 --> 02:05:43,220
requested to come back to Washington

2520
02:05:48,490 --> 02:05:45,380
they wanted him to come back to the

2521
02:05:53,170 --> 02:05:48,500
Pentagon for another line of questioning

2522
02:05:56,230 --> 02:05:53,180
so they they were becoming more and more

2523
02:05:57,670 --> 02:05:56,240
I won't use the word fascinated or

2524
02:06:00,700 --> 02:05:57,680
intrigue they were becoming more

2525
02:06:03,190 --> 02:06:00,710
desperate for answers they realized they

2526
02:06:05,890 --> 02:06:03,200
were dealing with hardware someone

2527
02:06:07,990 --> 02:06:05,900
else's aircraft and at the time it was

2528
02:06:10,660 --> 02:06:08,000
flying through our airspace with total

2529
02:06:12,910 --> 02:06:10,670
impunity they couldn't do anything about

2530
02:06:17,530 --> 02:06:12,920
it do you think this is what crashed at

2531
02:06:21,610 --> 02:06:17,540
Roswell the roads photograph um well I I

2532
02:06:23,680 --> 02:06:21,620
can't discount that possibility but but

2533
02:06:27,790 --> 02:06:23,690
the the roads photograph was later

2534
02:06:30,850 --> 02:06:27,800
though it would have been Roswell was

2535
02:06:32,710 --> 02:06:30,860
late evening of July 2nd and correct me

2536
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:32,720
if I'm wrong Jimmy I think the roads

2537
02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:36,800
photograph was 7/8 around that or even a

2538
02:06:42,100 --> 02:06:38,570
9th yeah

2539
02:06:46,540 --> 02:06:42,110
after and did the the other part for me

2540
02:06:49,540 --> 02:06:46,550
when it comes to roads the craft itself

2541
02:06:52,990 --> 02:06:49,550
and you look at this there was nothing

2542
02:06:55,570 --> 02:06:53,000
on this planet German or otherwise that

2543
02:06:57,250 --> 02:06:55,580
looked like this nobody's fantasy was

2544
02:07:00,640 --> 02:06:57,260
going in this direction at that time

2545
02:07:03,670 --> 02:07:00,650
this was 1947 well that's also you know

2546
02:07:10,780 --> 02:07:03,680
keeping in mind that Hollywood being the

2547
02:07:13,630 --> 02:07:10,790
the great copycat of reality that ups up

2548
02:07:17,230 --> 02:07:13,640
until that summer of 1947 even our

2549
02:07:18,240 --> 02:07:17,240
depiction of alien spacecraft

2550
02:07:20,610 --> 02:07:18,250
whether it was buck

2551
02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:20,620
Rogers or Flash Gordon we still had

2552
02:07:24,990 --> 02:07:22,810
aliens flying in Rockets yes

2553
02:07:28,230 --> 02:07:25,000
we didn't conceive anything beyond our

2554
02:07:31,140 --> 02:07:28,240
own technology and you have the flying

2555
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:31,150
disk and you know Hollywood being true

2556
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:33,250
to form just like that all of a sudden

2557
02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:36,490
all the movies all the television series

2558
02:07:42,540 --> 02:07:39,490
you know portray alien spacecraft is

2559
02:07:48,090 --> 02:07:42,550
flying saucers now let's go back to this

2560
02:07:52,530 --> 02:07:48,100
dating now Brazel okay Brazel waited for

2561
02:07:55,830 --> 02:07:52,540
days right to report the crash now if it

2562
02:07:57,210 --> 02:07:55,840
was a craft like it was depicted in the

2563
02:08:02,730 --> 02:07:57,220
roads photograph oh by the way it was

2564
02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:02,740
published on 7-7 1947 the picture so

2565
02:08:06,540 --> 02:08:05,290
that's also interesting and the reason

2566
02:08:10,500 --> 02:08:06,550
why I want to go back to this dating

2567
02:08:12,210 --> 02:08:10,510
July 4th July 3rd 2nd first you know and

2568
02:08:14,570 --> 02:08:12,220
then Kenneth Arnold comes into play here

2569
02:08:15,750 --> 02:08:14,580
this all happened around the same time

2570
02:08:20,340 --> 02:08:15,760
razzled

2571
02:08:22,860 --> 02:08:20,350
isn't sure exactly when it crashed right

2572
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:22,870
they'd wide open spaces out there you

2573
02:08:30,690 --> 02:08:27,970
don't know well it's still the the the

2574
02:08:34,110 --> 02:08:30,700
lightning storm the severe storm was the

2575
02:08:37,320 --> 02:08:34,120
late evening of July 2nd right it was

2576
02:08:39,810 --> 02:08:37,330
the early morning of July 3rd that

2577
02:08:42,890 --> 02:08:39,820
Brazel and and it was and he was the

2578
02:08:46,380 --> 02:08:42,900
ranch foreman it was his responsibility

2579
02:08:50,010 --> 02:08:46,390
and especially during the monsoon

2580
02:08:52,350 --> 02:08:50,020
seasons of July and August that they

2581
02:08:54,110 --> 02:08:52,360
would shift the grazing patterns of the

2582
02:08:58,050 --> 02:08:54,120
livestock the cattle and the Sheep

2583
02:09:00,380 --> 02:08:58,060
contingent on where the rain fell during

2584
02:09:03,030 --> 02:09:00,390
a certain period of time you could get

2585
02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:03,040
we've had branches described to us you

2586
02:09:07,260 --> 02:09:04,810
could get 6 inches of rain in one

2587
02:09:11,370 --> 02:09:07,270
pasture and there he had drop in another

2588
02:09:13,680 --> 02:09:11,380
so it was his job after a bad storm to

2589
02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:13,690
again we're you know where's all the

2590
02:09:18,630 --> 02:09:16,330
water where do I need to again you know

2591
02:09:21,630 --> 02:09:18,640
placed livestock for their sustenance

2592
02:09:24,630 --> 02:09:21,640
and so it would make perfect sense that

2593
02:09:28,800 --> 02:09:24,640
it was the very next morning and he does

2594
02:09:32,170 --> 02:09:28,810
come upon this huge debris field and he

2595
02:09:35,140 --> 02:09:32,180
is he's never seen anything like

2596
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:35,150
is wreckage this material in his life

2597
02:09:41,110 --> 02:09:38,810
and it's covering such a large area that

2598
02:09:43,600 --> 02:09:41,120
he just can't gather it up and toss it

2599
02:09:47,560 --> 02:09:43,610
into the back of a pickup truck and end

2600
02:09:51,250 --> 02:09:47,570
of story as evidenced by his neighbors

2601
02:09:53,580 --> 02:09:51,260
as evidenced by a state police officer

2602
02:09:56,770 --> 02:09:53,590
by the name of Robert Scroggins as

2603
02:09:59,830 --> 02:09:56,780
evidenced by the townspeople in Corona

2604
02:10:03,010 --> 02:09:59,840
of the people at the general store at

2605
02:10:05,860 --> 02:10:03,020
Wade's bar and then finally going into

2606
02:10:08,980 --> 02:10:05,870
Roswell and reporting it to the sheriff

2607
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:08,990
sheriff George Wilcox his other big

2608
02:10:15,340 --> 02:10:11,690
concern is who's going to clean up all

2609
02:10:17,650 --> 02:10:15,350
that wreckage it covers such a wide area

2610
02:10:20,530 --> 02:10:17,660
that I'm not going to do it I'm not

2611
02:10:24,910 --> 02:10:20,540
responsible who is who's going to come

2612
02:10:26,470 --> 02:10:24,920
out there and clear that all away and so

2613
02:10:29,470 --> 02:10:26,480
you know it just continues to

2614
02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:29,480
demonstrate that there was so much of it

2615
02:10:36,100 --> 02:10:33,290
and that was precisely again going

2616
02:10:39,460 --> 02:10:36,110
through the chronology of events that

2617
02:10:42,970 --> 02:10:39,470
when major Marcel first arrived at the

2618
02:10:48,130 --> 02:10:42,980
site the first reaction he had was my

2619
02:10:52,390 --> 02:10:48,140
god it covered such a large area of land

2620
02:10:54,010 --> 02:10:52,400
there was so much of it and so so why do

2621
02:10:57,940 --> 02:10:54,020
you why do you think he waited for four

2622
02:11:01,240 --> 02:10:57,950
days well he was the foreman he did not

2623
02:11:03,940 --> 02:11:01,250
have as we've been able to demonstrate

2624
02:11:07,510 --> 02:11:03,950
he did not have any hired hands on the

2625
02:11:12,040 --> 02:11:07,520
ranch at that time he was in charge of

2626
02:11:16,900 --> 02:11:12,050
700 head of cattle and 700 head of sheep

2627
02:11:20,860 --> 02:11:16,910
he was in charge of a ranch 75 thousand

2628
02:11:23,260 --> 02:11:20,870
acres in size right and it was quite

2629
02:11:25,930 --> 02:11:23,270
simple that he needed to finish the

2630
02:11:28,000 --> 02:11:25,940
chores for the week he needed to you

2631
02:11:30,760 --> 02:11:28,010
know complete his duties as the ranch

2632
02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:30,770
foreman on the ranch and then it was on

2633
02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:34,210
Sunday morning his one and only day off

2634
02:11:39,940 --> 02:11:37,610
that he makes that long trek that three

2635
02:11:43,120 --> 02:11:39,950
and a half hour drive down to Roswell

2636
02:11:44,310 --> 02:11:43,130
where he first reports it but during

2637
02:11:47,970 --> 02:11:44,320
that time

2638
02:11:50,850 --> 02:11:47,980
in were in the corona area he has still

2639
02:11:53,730 --> 02:11:50,860
made every effort in trying to get

2640
02:11:56,100 --> 02:11:53,740
answers his neighbors the townspeople of

2641
02:11:59,850 --> 02:11:56,110
Corona I mentioned the state police

2642
02:12:02,550 --> 02:11:59,860
officer of people at Wade's bar even a

2643
02:12:05,010 --> 02:12:02,560
rodeo over the fourth of July as

2644
02:12:07,830 --> 02:12:05,020
witnesses described pieces of the

2645
02:12:10,410 --> 02:12:07,840
wreckage being passed from person to

2646
02:12:14,130 --> 02:12:10,420
person so they're trying to come up with

2647
02:12:16,590 --> 02:12:14,140
answers and then failing all that he

2648
02:12:19,820 --> 02:12:16,600
finally realizes I'm going to have to go

2649
02:12:22,950 --> 02:12:19,830
down to Roswell and see if anybody there

2650
02:12:26,610 --> 02:12:22,960
can help me and who's going to come and

2651
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:26,620
clean all that wreckage up now one of my

2652
02:12:33,120 --> 02:12:29,290
biggest questions and again I've talked

2653
02:12:36,540 --> 02:12:33,130
to you about this before is with all of

2654
02:12:39,600 --> 02:12:36,550
the secrecy that is surrounding Roswell

2655
02:12:42,210 --> 02:12:39,610
and and the Army Airfield at that time

2656
02:12:43,890 --> 02:12:42,220
because of the nuclear secrets and what

2657
02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:43,900
was going on with the Cold War and

2658
02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:48,970
everything it was extreme secrecy why go

2659
02:12:59,250 --> 02:12:53,530
and generate a press release why do that

2660
02:13:01,440 --> 02:12:59,260
because that's examined would approve

2661
02:13:04,410 --> 02:13:01,450
something like this because it was so

2662
02:13:08,010 --> 02:13:04,420
extreme I mean why do that unless it was

2663
02:13:11,460 --> 02:13:08,020
true and it's amazing how many people to

2664
02:13:13,640 --> 02:13:11,470
this day still believe that it was

2665
02:13:17,280 --> 02:13:13,650
nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction

2666
02:13:20,160 --> 02:13:17,290
this overreaction on the part of either

2667
02:13:22,620 --> 02:13:20,170
a major Marcel or the public information

2668
02:13:25,020 --> 02:13:22,630
officer first lieutenant Walter Haught

2669
02:13:28,130 --> 02:13:25,030
or even the very base commander Colonel

2670
02:13:31,410 --> 02:13:28,140
William Blanchard now we talked about

2671
02:13:34,230 --> 02:13:31,420
Brazel the rancher bringing the wreckage

2672
02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:34,240
into Roswell to the sheriff's office

2673
02:13:41,790 --> 02:13:39,370
that Sunday afternoon July 6th now a

2674
02:13:45,270 --> 02:13:41,800
reporter by the name of Frank Joyce at

2675
02:13:47,550 --> 02:13:45,280
radio station kg FL he contacts the

2676
02:13:49,740 --> 02:13:47,560
share of via phone for some

2677
02:13:53,850 --> 02:13:49,750
late-breaking and for news you know for

2678
02:13:56,460 --> 02:13:53,860
his next newscast and sheriff Wilcox you

2679
02:13:57,180 --> 02:13:56,470
know says I think there's somebody here

2680
02:14:00,120 --> 02:13:57,190
you

2681
02:14:03,300 --> 02:14:00,130
talk to so it's the first time that the

2682
02:14:06,120 --> 02:14:03,310
rancher has actually gone public he's

2683
02:14:09,540 --> 02:14:06,130
talking to a member of the press so the

2684
02:14:12,090 --> 02:14:09,550
story is leaked out the media has the

2685
02:14:17,090 --> 02:14:12,100
exclusive they have the story before

2686
02:14:21,270 --> 02:14:17,100
anyone in authority knows about it and

2687
02:14:24,120 --> 02:14:21,280
Joyce to his credit you know as a as a

2688
02:14:26,189 --> 02:14:24,130
great journalist he doesn't say well I

2689
02:14:28,110 --> 02:14:26,199
need you to come right over to the radio

2690
02:14:31,290 --> 02:14:28,120
station and I want you to tell the whole

2691
02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:31,300
world about this right now he encourages

2692
02:14:37,770 --> 02:14:34,810
him well we need to be good Patriots

2693
02:14:40,620 --> 02:14:37,780
good citizens I strongly urge you report

2694
02:14:42,930 --> 02:14:40,630
this to the military the five-o ninth is

2695
02:14:45,330 --> 02:14:42,940
just south of town they need to be

2696
02:14:49,740 --> 02:14:45,340
informed in the event it's one of theirs

2697
02:14:52,680 --> 02:14:49,750
and they place the call and they speak

2698
02:14:54,780 --> 02:14:52,690
directly to major Marcel he comes to the

2699
02:14:57,750 --> 02:14:54,790
sheriff's office he checks it out and

2700
02:15:00,170 --> 02:14:57,760
it's important enough that it's a fourth

2701
02:15:05,640 --> 02:15:00,180
of July weekends a holiday weekend and

2702
02:15:08,459 --> 02:15:05,650
he immediately informs his boss his base

2703
02:15:10,380 --> 02:15:08,469
commander Colonel Blanchard and it's

2704
02:15:13,770 --> 02:15:10,390
important enough that he that doesn't

2705
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:13,780
just send a couple of low rank GIS the

2706
02:15:18,840 --> 02:15:16,330
goal humor of the ranch or go check it

2707
02:15:23,100 --> 02:15:18,850
out no he sends all his head of

2708
02:15:26,100 --> 02:15:23,110
intelligence major Jesse Marcel and the

2709
02:15:28,770 --> 02:15:26,110
head of counterintelligence Captain

2710
02:15:32,790 --> 02:15:28,780
Sheridan Cavitt in the event it's

2711
02:15:35,610 --> 02:15:32,800
something foreign so he sends out two

2712
02:15:39,630 --> 02:15:35,620
high-ranking officers to check this out

2713
02:15:42,120 --> 02:15:39,640
in the meantime Colonel Blanchard calls

2714
02:15:44,370 --> 02:15:42,130
his boss going up the chain of command

2715
02:15:47,189 --> 02:15:44,380
the 8th Air Force over at Fort Worth and

2716
02:15:49,650 --> 02:15:47,199
general Roger Ramey is visiting with

2717
02:15:52,939 --> 02:15:49,660
family over the holiday weekend in

2718
02:15:57,390 --> 02:15:52,949
Denton Texas and his chief of staff

2719
02:16:00,300 --> 02:15:57,400
Colonel Thomas DuBose takes the call he

2720
02:16:03,630 --> 02:16:00,310
calls the Pentagon and that's when

2721
02:16:06,630 --> 02:16:03,640
general Clements McMunn McMullen calls

2722
02:16:08,209 --> 02:16:06,640
him back and says I want some of the

2723
02:16:10,209 --> 02:16:08,219
wreckage brought to Washington

2724
02:16:13,150 --> 02:16:10,219
immediately

2725
02:16:16,150 --> 02:16:13,160
the point being that Washington already

2726
02:16:16,930 --> 02:16:16,160
has some of the wreckage in hand by late

2727
02:16:20,920 --> 02:16:16,940
evening

2728
02:16:25,270 --> 02:16:20,930
July 6th when is the press release go

2729
02:16:30,610 --> 02:16:25,280
out on Tuesday noon Mountain Standard

2730
02:16:33,640 --> 02:16:30,620
Time on July 8th so why and a half later

2731
02:16:36,040 --> 02:16:33,650
I know and this I'm trying to I've

2732
02:16:40,419 --> 02:16:36,050
always tried to wrap my head around this

2733
02:16:42,910 --> 02:16:40,429
down the the everything was done

2734
02:16:45,820 --> 02:16:42,920
perfectly always in the military

2735
02:16:47,530 --> 02:16:45,830
especially back then you didn't do

2736
02:16:49,299 --> 02:16:47,540
anything unless somebody told you what

2737
02:16:51,940 --> 02:16:49,309
to do you didn't do anything willy-nilly

2738
02:16:55,120 --> 02:16:51,950
you certainly didn't release a press

2739
02:16:57,250 --> 02:16:55,130
release like this unless it was fully

2740
02:17:00,040 --> 02:16:57,260
approved and they knew exactly what they

2741
02:17:01,049 --> 02:17:00,050
wanted to get out because everything was

2742
02:17:06,219 --> 02:17:01,059
top-secret

2743
02:17:09,070 --> 02:17:06,229
want to tip your hands to the Russians

2744
02:17:09,759 --> 02:17:09,080
about anything right well this was

2745
02:17:13,620 --> 02:17:09,769
approved

2746
02:17:16,810 --> 02:17:13,630
Walter how wrote this with a with

2747
02:17:19,900 --> 02:17:16,820
conviction right it was dead it was

2748
02:17:21,759 --> 02:17:19,910
dictated to him by the base commander

2749
02:17:23,830 --> 02:17:21,769
Colonel Blanchard correct and it was

2750
02:17:26,560 --> 02:17:23,840
after they had the staff meeting that

2751
02:17:29,560 --> 02:17:26,570
morning and according to Walter Haught

2752
02:17:33,459 --> 02:17:29,570
and even his sealed statement general

2753
02:17:35,890 --> 02:17:33,469
Ramey and Colonel DuBose were at that

2754
02:17:37,990 --> 02:17:35,900
very meeting so the arbiters of the

2755
02:17:42,459 --> 02:17:38,000
cover-up were present they were all

2756
02:17:45,160 --> 02:17:42,469
there they all signed on to the press

2757
02:17:48,429 --> 02:17:45,170
release and quite simply for the fact

2758
02:17:52,150 --> 02:17:48,439
that it already had gotten out it had

2759
02:17:55,890 --> 02:17:52,160
already been leaked out to the press now

2760
02:17:58,089 --> 02:17:55,900
they knew about it why do you think they

2761
02:18:00,280 --> 02:17:58,099
why do you think that they thought that

2762
02:18:02,350 --> 02:18:00,290
those photographs of the weather balloon

2763
02:18:05,320 --> 02:18:02,360
that were taken in Raimi's office right

2764
02:18:09,339 --> 02:18:05,330
with Jesse Marcel that the public would

2765
02:18:12,580 --> 02:18:09,349
actually buy that debris being put onto

2766
02:18:17,980 --> 02:18:12,590
an airplane and flown anywhere right

2767
02:18:20,890 --> 02:18:17,990
what I did I can't buy that I just can't

2768
02:18:24,040 --> 02:18:20,900
why it was a they thought that weather

2769
02:18:27,309 --> 02:18:24,050
balloons story would pass it was a made

2770
02:18:30,190 --> 02:18:27,319
gamble on their part they you know they

2771
02:18:34,270 --> 02:18:30,200
tossed the dice and as you mentioned in

2772
02:18:38,830 --> 02:18:34,280
the previous segment that they were that

2773
02:18:41,110 --> 02:18:38,840
close to this breaking open if if the

2774
02:18:43,959 --> 02:18:41,120
press if the public would not have

2775
02:18:46,270 --> 02:18:43,969
accepted the whole straw man first it's

2776
02:18:47,500 --> 02:18:46,280
built up by the press release and then

2777
02:18:49,870 --> 02:18:47,510
it's torn down

2778
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:49,880
you read the verbage of the press

2779
02:18:56,770 --> 02:18:52,880
release it doesn't mention the rancher

2780
02:19:01,270 --> 02:18:56,780
it doesn't mention anyone but major

2781
02:19:02,919 --> 02:19:01,280
Marcel and whereas major Marcel he's on

2782
02:19:05,950 --> 02:19:02,929
his way to Fort Worth for the weather

2783
02:19:07,929 --> 02:19:05,960
balloon press conference where is the

2784
02:19:10,570 --> 02:19:07,939
rancher he's been abducted by the

2785
02:19:13,480 --> 02:19:10,580
military right where's Colonel Blanchard

2786
02:19:17,049 --> 02:19:13,490
he announces he's going on leave he's on

2787
02:19:19,750 --> 02:19:17,059
vacation right yes but after a fourth of

2788
02:19:21,490 --> 02:19:19,760
July weekend why do you go and ask

2789
02:19:25,089 --> 02:19:21,500
anybody in the military why do you go on

2790
02:19:27,459 --> 02:19:25,099
leave after the holiday weekend when you

2791
02:19:30,040 --> 02:19:27,469
wouldn't be docked those extra days if

2792
02:19:34,990 --> 02:19:30,050
you would take your leave over the

2793
02:19:37,360 --> 02:19:35,000
holiday for example so it demonstrates

2794
02:19:41,860 --> 02:19:37,370
that this was all calibrated this was

2795
02:19:44,339 --> 02:19:41,870
all thought out they had to essentially

2796
02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:44,349
create this diversion they couldn't deny

2797
02:19:49,120 --> 02:19:46,729
something it crashed something was

2798
02:19:52,270 --> 02:19:49,130
recovered they put out the press release

2799
02:19:55,030 --> 02:19:52,280
flying disc has been recovered and then

2800
02:19:58,380 --> 02:19:55,040
to watch through the press the slow

2801
02:20:02,080 --> 02:19:58,390
evolution into the weather balloon and

2802
02:20:06,550 --> 02:20:02,090
then the press conference and as I said

2803
02:20:08,889 --> 02:20:06,560
they tossed the dice and they won is

2804
02:20:10,960 --> 02:20:08,899
then I'm sure they breathed a sigh of

2805
02:20:12,849 --> 02:20:10,970
relief because it could have just as

2806
02:20:13,330 --> 02:20:12,859
well been thrown right back in their

2807
02:20:15,790 --> 02:20:13,340
faces

2808
02:20:19,059 --> 02:20:15,800
is there any debris out there is there

2809
02:20:22,240 --> 02:20:19,069
any real debris right now private hands

2810
02:20:25,240 --> 02:20:22,250
in a private collection somewhere is

2811
02:20:29,650 --> 02:20:25,250
there any debris out there I remain

2812
02:20:33,219 --> 02:20:29,660
optimistic that whether in a all an old

2813
02:20:35,530 --> 02:20:33,229
footlocker or down in a crawl space or

2814
02:20:37,450 --> 02:20:35,540
even out at the very debris field we've

2815
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:37,460
we've had to date now

2816
02:20:46,510 --> 02:20:41,210
five archaeological digs at the debris

2817
02:20:50,500 --> 02:20:46,520
field site and we have found a number of

2818
02:20:54,700 --> 02:20:50,510
interesting fragments that even in a

2819
02:20:58,030 --> 02:20:54,710
radioisotope a test in specific

2820
02:21:00,310 --> 02:20:58,040
laboratories that are strange there

2821
02:21:03,520 --> 02:21:00,320
there's certain alloys certain elements

2822
02:21:06,370 --> 02:21:03,530
that should not be there and as a result

2823
02:21:08,860 --> 02:21:06,380
it doesn't prove conclusively it's off

2824
02:21:12,700 --> 02:21:08,870
the planet it's extra rest reial but

2825
02:21:14,560 --> 02:21:12,710
they shouldn't be out there and you know

2826
02:21:17,170 --> 02:21:14,570
Jimmy there's one thing that we were

2827
02:21:19,740 --> 02:21:17,180
talking earlier about the military still

2828
02:21:22,780 --> 02:21:19,750
being out there and it's an ongoing

2829
02:21:25,360 --> 02:21:22,790
ritual for us every time we arrived at

2830
02:21:27,430 --> 02:21:25,370
the debris field and we get out of our

2831
02:21:29,890 --> 02:21:27,440
we'd aboard our cars and the first thing

2832
02:21:34,810 --> 02:21:29,900
we do is we look up and we wave at

2833
02:21:38,710 --> 02:21:34,820
satellite you know we're back way almost

2834
02:21:41,710 --> 02:21:38,720
in an act of defiance but this happened

2835
02:21:45,460 --> 02:21:41,720
just four years ago now mind you again

2836
02:21:49,480 --> 02:21:45,470
this is open range this is open pasture

2837
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:49,490
grazing range for the cattle and the

2838
02:21:54,010 --> 02:21:52,010
sheep which are like goats they're

2839
02:21:58,900 --> 02:21:54,020
notorious and that they eat everything

2840
02:22:02,440 --> 02:21:58,910
in their path and no rancher no ranch

2841
02:22:04,810 --> 02:22:02,450
hand would leave anything out there at

2842
02:22:07,750 --> 02:22:04,820
the very notion that the livestock are

2843
02:22:11,620 --> 02:22:07,760
going to devour it and it could be to

2844
02:22:14,469 --> 02:22:11,630
their demise it could kill them well in

2845
02:22:19,480 --> 02:22:14,479
the last five years someone went out

2846
02:22:23,590 --> 02:22:19,490
there and sprayed nails all over a wide

2847
02:22:27,670 --> 02:22:23,600
area of that and only that area that

2848
02:22:32,890 --> 02:22:27,680
site what and why would somebody do that

2849
02:22:35,650 --> 02:22:32,900
why you wouldn't do it as a prank would

2850
02:22:38,410 --> 02:22:35,660
you do it because you know we're out

2851
02:22:43,270 --> 02:22:38,420
there on a regular basis with metal

2852
02:22:45,130 --> 02:22:43,280
detectors with subterranean radar that

2853
02:22:48,040 --> 02:22:45,140
you're essentially creating all these

2854
02:22:50,680 --> 02:22:48,050
false signals you're creating as far as

2855
02:22:51,400 --> 02:22:50,690
your contaminating the site to the point

2856
02:22:55,990 --> 02:22:51,410
that

2857
02:22:59,650 --> 02:22:56,000
now it almost makes it impossible for us

2858
02:23:02,830 --> 02:22:59,660
to find anything because there's a good

2859
02:23:05,170 --> 02:23:02,840
chance it's going to be a nail when

2860
02:23:08,500 --> 02:23:05,180
we've made we believe we've cleaned up

2861
02:23:11,500 --> 02:23:08,510
the area we've spent a lot of hours a

2862
02:23:14,980 --> 02:23:11,510
lot of days out there retrieving every

2863
02:23:17,320 --> 02:23:14,990
last you know contaminant every last

2864
02:23:19,511 --> 02:23:17,330
mail yeah that means a metal deal issues

2865
02:23:21,070 --> 02:23:19,521
supid yeah I mean yep yeah and now your

2866
02:23:23,080 --> 02:23:21,080
point is who would do this right who

2867
02:23:27,070 --> 02:23:23,090
would do that yeah the government I'll

2868
02:23:30,100 --> 02:23:27,080
tell you right now it was it was

2869
02:23:35,020 --> 02:23:30,110
somebody from the military have you

2870
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:35,030
okay what about Jesse's the the original

2871
02:23:42,070 --> 02:23:38,960
Marcel home yes who owns that and why

2872
02:23:46,570 --> 02:23:42,080
not buy that house and tear that sucker

2873
02:23:49,390 --> 02:23:46,580
down yeah well we we've discussed that

2874
02:23:51,551 --> 02:23:49,400
on numerous occasions even the executive

2875
02:23:54,400 --> 02:23:51,561
producer of a Roswell may be appalled

2876
02:23:56,980 --> 02:23:54,410
David's we had that very discussion a

2877
02:24:00,040 --> 02:23:56,990
number of years ago about buying the

2878
02:24:03,460 --> 02:24:00,050
house when was was on the market and

2879
02:24:07,680 --> 02:24:03,470
it's gone through numerous ownerships

2880
02:24:11,860 --> 02:24:07,690
it's presently owned again by a private

2881
02:24:15,970 --> 02:24:11,870
private owners and unfortunately that

2882
02:24:18,460 --> 02:24:15,980
old patio that has always been suspect a

2883
02:24:22,930 --> 02:24:18,470
family room was built over that many

2884
02:24:25,200 --> 02:24:22,940
years ago and at one point we even had a

2885
02:24:29,350 --> 02:24:25,210
haunt Sodom the prince of liechtenstein

2886
02:24:31,690 --> 02:24:29,360
who offered to you know i'll pay to have

2887
02:24:32,470 --> 02:24:31,700
the house demolish and i'll build it up

2888
02:24:35,140 --> 02:24:32,480
even more

2889
02:24:37,540 --> 02:24:35,150
you know spectacularly you know to

2890
02:24:40,990 --> 02:24:37,550
replace it we just would like to get

2891
02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:41,000
beneath that concrete slab so that is

2892
02:24:46,841 --> 02:24:43,130
still on our agenda we're still going to

2893
02:24:49,301 --> 02:24:46,851
do that at some point it it mainly comes

2894
02:24:52,480 --> 02:24:49,311
down to just the funding and then

2895
02:24:55,841 --> 02:24:52,490
dealing with owners who are willing to

2896
02:24:57,490 --> 02:24:55,851
allow us to demolish you know that that

2897
02:24:59,320 --> 02:24:57,500
area of the house yeah it's a pretty

2898
02:25:01,780 --> 02:24:59,330
famous house too as well would be a

2899
02:25:04,631 --> 02:25:01,790
shame but kind of got to get to the

2900
02:25:05,349 --> 02:25:04,641
bottom of this have you would you tell

2901
02:25:07,029 --> 02:25:05,359
me the true

2902
02:25:09,159 --> 02:25:07,039
I'm going to ask you right now tell me

2903
02:25:12,849 --> 02:25:09,169
the truth Don have you ever handled a

2904
02:25:15,460 --> 02:25:12,859
piece of the debris yourself no we've

2905
02:25:19,000 --> 02:25:15,470
had people that have but we've had many

2906
02:25:21,639 --> 02:25:19,010
false alarms right you know you know and

2907
02:25:25,029 --> 02:25:21,649
even without even bringing up the whole

2908
02:25:27,130 --> 02:25:25,039
slide situation right we've had numerous

2909
02:25:30,010 --> 02:25:27,140
witnesses who have claimed that they had

2910
02:25:33,189 --> 02:25:30,020
photographs that they had photographs

2911
02:25:35,199 --> 02:25:33,199
would be the wreckage or of bodies we've

2912
02:25:38,500 --> 02:25:35,209
had people who claimed that they arrived

2913
02:25:40,029 --> 02:25:38,510
at the site long before the military did

2914
02:25:42,250 --> 02:25:40,039
and we're talking again at a time when

2915
02:25:45,399 --> 02:25:42,260
just about all the witnesses were still

2916
02:25:49,389 --> 02:25:45,409
with us right but we've had even more so

2917
02:25:53,290 --> 02:25:49,399
false alarms regarding wreckage pieces

2918
02:25:55,750 --> 02:25:53,300
of the actual hardware and Kevin Randle

2919
02:25:57,969 --> 02:25:55,760
would have to attest the fact all the

2920
02:26:01,119 --> 02:25:57,979
times we may trips down to New Mexico

2921
02:26:03,489 --> 02:26:01,129
and elsewhere with the hope with the

2922
02:26:06,279 --> 02:26:03,499
promise that we were going to be able to

2923
02:26:09,609 --> 02:26:06,289
actually handle a piece of the Holy

2924
02:26:12,989 --> 02:26:09,619
Grail so to speak and we always came up

2925
02:26:16,179 --> 02:26:12,999
short we always came up disappointed and

2926
02:26:19,420 --> 02:26:16,189
realizing that it was a false alarm it

2927
02:26:21,489 --> 02:26:19,430
it wasn't anything of the sort but but

2928
02:26:23,739 --> 02:26:21,499
nonetheless you have to check it out

2929
02:26:27,969 --> 02:26:23,749
because all it's going to take is one

2930
02:26:32,199 --> 02:26:27,979
time and we still you know hope remains

2931
02:26:34,779 --> 02:26:32,209
eternal but nonetheless I still I do

2932
02:26:37,960 --> 02:26:34,789
remain convinced that there is physical

2933
02:26:41,649 --> 02:26:37,970
evidence either still out at the crash

2934
02:26:44,349 --> 02:26:41,659
site of the Bri field or in the personal

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02:26:48,309 --> 02:26:44,359
possession of someone who was there back

2936
02:26:49,869 --> 02:26:48,319
in 1947 yes Donna Schmidt I'm ok Don

2937
02:26:52,330 --> 02:26:49,879
Schmidt thank you so much my friend

2938
02:26:55,779 --> 02:26:52,340
always great to have you on the show the

2939
02:26:57,429 --> 02:26:55,789
book is wonderful and everybody is very

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simple discover to Jimmy Tripps radio

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com click on the link right there to

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take you over to Amazon and get yourself

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a copy of cover-up at Roswell it's a

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great read thank you so much Don and

2945
02:27:10,840 --> 02:27:08,140
don't ever stop rolling that rock uphill

2946
02:27:12,429 --> 02:27:10,850
well thank you Jimmy and we never see

2947
02:27:14,469 --> 02:27:12,439
each other enough and I always look

2948
02:27:16,540 --> 02:27:14,479
forward to the next time absolutely dear

2949
02:27:17,859 --> 02:27:16,550
friend okay man I'll talk to you down

2950
02:27:19,429 --> 02:27:17,869
thank you so much my friend

2951
02:27:23,059 --> 02:27:19,439
you too thank you

2952
02:27:26,389 --> 02:27:23,069
bye-bye bye-bye Don Schmidt's the book

2953
02:27:28,609 --> 02:27:26,399
is cover up at Roswell the links are

2954
02:27:32,569 --> 02:27:28,619
right there just released on Amazon it's

2955
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just an absolutely great read great read

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02:27:40,729 --> 02:27:36,109
go and pick it up Thank You Don

2957
02:27:42,679 --> 02:27:40,739
Roswell frustrating it's it's the best

2958
02:27:45,709 --> 02:27:42,689
story it's the best evidence that we

2959
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have right oh man

2960
02:27:49,909 --> 02:27:47,699
and I'm just glad Don is still on the

2961
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case this is fade to black I'm Yours

2962
02:27:53,689 --> 02:27:51,929
Jimmy Church I'll be right back and I'll

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take some phone calls and all of the

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02:27:57,739 --> 02:27:55,560
news that you know absolutely nothing

2965
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about we'll talk a little Jim Marrs

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3051
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welcome back thank you to down Schmidt

3052
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the book is cover up at Roswell and what

3053
02:32:51,230 --> 02:32:49,801
I really enjoyed about the book and I

3054
02:32:53,440 --> 02:32:51,240
touched upon it a little bit with Don

3055
02:32:57,860 --> 02:32:53,450
but you have to understand this is like

3056
02:33:01,520 --> 02:32:57,870
the condensed version of all of the

3057
02:33:05,711 --> 02:33:01,530
facts of the cover-up and it's a it's

3058
02:33:08,001 --> 02:33:05,721
really really really well-written I like

3059
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the books that I like to read even

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though I love my Clive Cussler my dirt

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pit but I like facts you know I just

3062
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like to non-fiction just give me the

3063
02:33:24,501 --> 02:33:23,040
real stuff that's what I like and there

3064
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you go alright I'm going to open up the

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phone lines you're going to get all of

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that it's the condensed version I'm

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opening up the phone lines right now

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news I want to go over as well as you

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know I know you guys want to talk about

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Jim Morrison and and nothing would make

3074
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me happier to do that okay we're going

3075
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to do a special tomorrow night it is

3076
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fate or night and I think it is just so

3077
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fitting and so cool that tomorrow night

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02:34:02,690 --> 02:33:59,820
is our 700th show and we are able to

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dedicate that show to Jim Marrs and his

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memory because he he was such a cool fun

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intense guy kind a real or just man just

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just use the complete package so we're

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able to do that tomorrow night and we're

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going to have fun and we're going to do

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it that way okay all right so we'll do

3087
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that tomorrow night let's go to the

3088
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phone see what's happening over there hi

3089
02:34:34,831 --> 02:34:31,271
you're live on fade to black who's

3090
02:34:36,690 --> 02:34:34,841
calling hi Jimmy I just wanted to

3091
02:34:39,621 --> 02:34:36,700
comment on tonight's show about Roswell

3092
02:34:42,810 --> 02:34:39,631
yeah what uh what's your name

3093
02:34:46,770 --> 02:34:42,820
this is Nathan from Isle high needs him

3094
02:34:48,720 --> 02:34:46,780
from Ohio uh what's on your mind well I

3095
02:34:52,440 --> 02:34:48,730
wanted to ask you whether or not you

3096
02:34:54,541 --> 02:34:52,450
thought maybe the crash was intentional

3097
02:35:01,890 --> 02:34:54,551
on the part of the aliens or whatever

3098
02:35:05,900 --> 02:35:01,900
they are uh oh oh you know this is yeah

3099
02:35:09,900 --> 02:35:05,910
that's that's that's an interesting take

3100
02:35:13,470 --> 02:35:09,910
that it was intentional could be this is

3101
02:35:16,951 --> 02:35:13,480
okay let me I'm going to give you my

3102
02:35:21,150 --> 02:35:16,961
actual real gut feeling on this all

3103
02:35:23,341 --> 02:35:21,160
right when we when we go and visit with

3104
02:35:24,871 --> 02:35:23,351
all of our technology today right we've

3105
02:35:26,820 --> 02:35:24,881
got a lot of Technology stealth

3106
02:35:29,640 --> 02:35:26,830
technology we got rockets we got hyper

3107
02:35:32,701 --> 02:35:29,650
this we got Matt we got stuff we got we

3108
02:35:34,741 --> 02:35:32,711
got cool craft right we've got the Space

3109
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Shuttle and we've been to the moon and

3110
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we've got a space program in the x-37b

3111
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we've got the International Space

3112
02:35:43,051 --> 02:35:41,230
Station we know how to float satellites

3113
02:35:46,371 --> 02:35:43,061
out there we know what to do with

3114
02:35:50,720 --> 02:35:46,381
geostationary polar orbits we have

3115
02:35:57,451 --> 02:35:50,730
technology don't we right okay why can't

3116
02:35:59,041 --> 02:35:57,461
we land something on Mars why why we

3117
02:36:03,661 --> 02:35:59,051
haven't got that atmosphere figured out

3118
02:36:06,360 --> 02:36:03,671
right we literally fly stuff to Mars and

3119
02:36:08,461 --> 02:36:06,370
surround it with frigging balloons and

3120
02:36:11,461 --> 02:36:08,471
bounce it off of the surface and hope

3121
02:36:15,121 --> 02:36:11,471
that it's going to stop and still work

3122
02:36:17,970 --> 02:36:15,131
that's our technology Nathan with that

3123
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atmosphere which we know with that we

3124
02:36:22,680 --> 02:36:21,131
can't deal with that atmosphere okay we

3125
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can't so

3126
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when how

3127
02:36:28,650 --> 02:36:26,500
when somebody says to me with all this

3128
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technology et men they fly across the

3129
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stars they fly across the galaxies they

3130
02:36:37,470 --> 02:36:33,070
do they make it they get here and they

3131
02:36:41,310 --> 02:36:37,480
just crash well yeah that's what we're

3132
02:36:45,540 --> 02:36:41,320
doing with Mars we crash land everything

3133
02:36:48,330 --> 02:36:45,550
there so when when that technology

3134
02:36:49,740 --> 02:36:48,340
whoever it is IDT they they get here

3135
02:36:52,050 --> 02:36:49,750
they're dealing with our atmosphere

3136
02:36:54,030 --> 02:36:52,060
they're dealing with our storms they're

3137
02:36:57,090 --> 02:36:54,040
dealing with with everything else and

3138
02:37:00,690 --> 02:36:57,100
then we're throwing radar at them and

3139
02:37:03,450 --> 02:37:00,700
and and electromagnetic interference and

3140
02:37:06,470 --> 02:37:03,460
lord knows what else

3141
02:37:11,730 --> 02:37:06,480
yeah I could see them crashing

3142
02:37:13,770 --> 02:37:11,740
absolutely why it's what we do we we do

3143
02:37:18,900 --> 02:37:13,780
the exact same thing you would think

3144
02:37:20,370 --> 02:37:18,910
that with watching sci-fi movies and

3145
02:37:22,740 --> 02:37:20,380
science fiction and everything of these

3146
02:37:26,430 --> 02:37:22,750
is cool that we would just cruise up to

3147
02:37:28,680 --> 02:37:26,440
Mars and just go in and land and and and

3148
02:37:32,490 --> 02:37:28,690
have a good time no we have to bounce

3149
02:37:35,520 --> 02:37:32,500
stuff off the surface there - so did et

3150
02:37:40,880 --> 02:37:35,530
intentionally crash here no well not

3151
02:37:47,420 --> 02:37:43,860
can see that I just think it's

3152
02:37:52,130 --> 02:37:47,430
interesting how we've evolved since then

3153
02:37:55,860 --> 02:37:52,140
what do you mean well I mean evolved

3154
02:37:58,261 --> 02:37:55,870
technologically evolved oh if you put

3155
02:38:00,420 --> 02:37:58,271
any stock into life I mean even it even

3156
02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:00,430
if it wasn't intentional it might even

3157
02:38:05,850 --> 02:38:02,730
have been like almost meant to happen

3158
02:38:07,620 --> 02:38:05,860
right right right right right Nathan

3159
02:38:09,000 --> 02:38:07,630
you're absolutely right and I'll tell

3160
02:38:11,670 --> 02:38:09,010
you something else and thank you for the

3161
02:38:17,070 --> 02:38:11,680
phone call my friend thank you oh yeah

3162
02:38:20,900 --> 02:38:17,080
absolutely I'll say this we don't even

3163
02:38:24,450 --> 02:38:20,910
have our own atmosphere figured out

3164
02:38:25,560 --> 02:38:24,460
aircraft air travel none of that stuff

3165
02:38:29,160 --> 02:38:25,570
is foolproof

3166
02:38:31,380 --> 02:38:29,170
rocket launches Space Shuttle you know

3167
02:38:34,470 --> 02:38:31,390
taking off or re-entry none of that

3168
02:38:37,679 --> 02:38:34,480
stuff was ever guaranteed it's a sign we

3169
02:38:40,349 --> 02:38:37,689
live here this is us this is our world

3170
02:38:42,630 --> 02:38:40,359
we don't have it down you know there's

3171
02:38:44,099 --> 02:38:42,640
no guarantee if you take off in a plane

3172
02:38:45,719 --> 02:38:44,109
that everything is going to be okay I

3173
02:38:50,510 --> 02:38:45,729
was discussing that the other day on the

3174
02:38:52,830 --> 02:38:50,520
show air travel is faith it is pure

3175
02:38:55,819 --> 02:38:52,840
faith let's go to the phones hi you're

3176
02:39:00,920 --> 02:38:55,829
live on fade to black who's calling

3177
02:39:03,599 --> 02:39:00,930
you're live yes Jimmy yes

3178
02:39:05,309 --> 02:39:03,609
hey this is Franky four fingers hey

3179
02:39:07,199 --> 02:39:05,319
Franky four fingers how are you my

3180
02:39:09,599 --> 02:39:07,209
friend good

3181
02:39:12,510 --> 02:39:09,609
I was just listening to you know about

3182
02:39:14,670 --> 02:39:12,520
Roswell and I just had an idea flashing

3183
02:39:17,160 --> 02:39:14,680
on mine about couldn't that have been a

3184
02:39:19,050 --> 02:39:17,170
false flag maybe to distract from

3185
02:39:19,319 --> 02:39:19,060
something else that was going on at that

3186
02:39:22,429 --> 02:39:19,329
time

3187
02:39:25,260 --> 02:39:22,439
absolutely absolutely that is in play

3188
02:39:26,989 --> 02:39:25,270
absolutely we look everything when it

3189
02:39:29,880 --> 02:39:26,999
comes to Roswell is on the table and

3190
02:39:32,519 --> 02:39:29,890
when you go and I was discussing this

3191
02:39:36,300 --> 02:39:32,529
for Don tonight it's really true you go

3192
02:39:38,729 --> 02:39:36,310
through when you land in Albuquerque

3193
02:39:40,679 --> 02:39:38,739
you're looking at an Air Force Base

3194
02:39:43,349 --> 02:39:40,689
right right there you're looking at

3195
02:39:45,330 --> 02:39:43,359
Sandia National all all of this high

3196
02:39:48,090 --> 02:39:45,340
technology is there because it's in the

3197
02:39:50,460 --> 02:39:48,100
middle of nowhere you have white sands

3198
02:39:53,010 --> 02:39:50,470
all of the missile testing all of the

3199
02:39:55,380 --> 02:39:53,020
atomic testing all of that research all

3200
02:39:59,309 --> 02:39:55,390
of the knowledge of the world of the

3201
02:40:02,219 --> 02:39:59,319
world of our solar system was right

3202
02:40:03,989 --> 02:40:02,229
there in Roswell you need to really wrap

3203
02:40:07,170 --> 02:40:03,999
your head around that

3204
02:40:11,939 --> 02:40:07,180
it's a very very special place and back

3205
02:40:14,130 --> 02:40:11,949
then I'm telling you everything that as

3206
02:40:15,989 --> 02:40:14,140
far as technology goes was going on

3207
02:40:18,719 --> 02:40:15,999
there and that goes with the missile

3208
02:40:23,670 --> 02:40:18,729
testing that goes with radar atomic

3209
02:40:26,429 --> 02:40:23,680
secrets insanity so and aircraft so

3210
02:40:29,340 --> 02:40:26,439
could there have been something there

3211
02:40:32,189 --> 02:40:29,350
that was ultra secret that crash and it

3212
02:40:34,349 --> 02:40:32,199
had to be covered absent no question

3213
02:40:37,050 --> 02:40:34,359
that that is a possibility and I'll give

3214
02:40:39,420 --> 02:40:37,060
you I'll give you a listing together

3215
02:40:41,580 --> 02:40:39,430
that was just wondering what else in the

3216
02:40:46,019 --> 02:40:41,590
world was going on at that time to draw

3217
02:40:47,609 --> 02:40:46,029
attention to Roswell versus hey we got

3218
02:40:50,939 --> 02:40:47,619
something else over here we want nobody

3219
02:40:51,510 --> 02:40:50,949
to see so they throw that at you I'm

3220
02:40:53,729 --> 02:40:51,520
just cure

3221
02:40:56,519 --> 02:40:53,739
was there anything else going on at that

3222
02:40:57,870 --> 02:40:56,529
time other parts of the country of the

3223
02:41:00,420 --> 02:40:57,880
world that they're trying to draw

3224
02:41:02,880 --> 02:41:00,430
attention away from the other part and

3225
02:41:04,529 --> 02:41:02,890
you're right so if we if we look start

3226
02:41:07,950 --> 02:41:04,539
to look at it like this like it's

3227
02:41:11,939 --> 02:41:07,960
terrestrial right that is of Earth we

3228
02:41:14,519 --> 02:41:11,949
have Russia trying to spy on us too as

3229
02:41:16,769 --> 02:41:14,529
well right they want to know what's

3230
02:41:18,359 --> 02:41:16,779
going on in white sands they want to

3231
02:41:21,660 --> 02:41:18,369
know what's going on with all of our

3232
02:41:24,929 --> 02:41:21,670
testing the the nuclear race was on man

3233
02:41:27,540 --> 02:41:24,939
that was a no-joke situation so could

3234
02:41:29,819 --> 02:41:27,550
Russia have had some really cool jet

3235
02:41:31,529 --> 02:41:29,829
aircraft something that they were had

3236
02:41:34,830 --> 02:41:31,539
developed and stolen from the Nazis

3237
02:41:39,719 --> 02:41:34,840
flown over here and was spying on us and

3238
02:41:42,450 --> 02:41:39,729
it crashed there and and and and Brazel

3239
02:41:44,279 --> 02:41:42,460
thought that it was a flying saucer

3240
02:41:46,800 --> 02:41:44,289
because it was some kind of crazy

3241
02:41:51,179 --> 02:41:46,810
looking jet aircraft that crashed out

3242
02:41:52,710 --> 02:41:51,189
there could be you know v-8 the all of

3243
02:41:54,450 --> 02:41:52,720
the investigators you know Jesse Marcel

3244
02:41:57,809 --> 02:41:54,460
and everybody heads out there they're

3245
02:42:00,269 --> 02:41:57,819
looking at a crashed craft they don't

3246
02:42:01,679 --> 02:42:00,279
want to say it's Russian right they

3247
02:42:03,090 --> 02:42:01,689
don't want the Russians to know that

3248
02:42:05,130 --> 02:42:03,100
they've got their hands on the craft so

3249
02:42:06,960 --> 02:42:05,140
they say it's a flying saucer is that a

3250
02:42:08,090 --> 02:42:06,970
possibility of course that's a

3251
02:42:11,279 --> 02:42:08,100
possibility

3252
02:42:12,990 --> 02:42:11,289
absolutely and the other part you know I

3253
02:42:14,790 --> 02:42:13,000
know they're trying to draw you know the

3254
02:42:17,790 --> 02:42:14,800
tension to that one spot but what else

3255
02:42:20,550 --> 02:42:17,800
in the world could they be maybe drawing

3256
02:42:21,689 --> 02:42:20,560
attention away from like some new test

3257
02:42:24,300 --> 02:42:21,699
or something

3258
02:42:26,189 --> 02:42:24,310
they're testing somewhere else we got to

3259
02:42:29,760 --> 02:42:26,199
draw attention away from that area let's

3260
02:42:32,399 --> 02:42:29,770
cause this exactly exactly

3261
02:42:35,370 --> 02:42:32,409
now the the other part is why draw

3262
02:42:37,740 --> 02:42:35,380
attention to Roswell when all of those

3263
02:42:40,200 --> 02:42:37,750
secrets are going on why do a press

3264
02:42:40,349 --> 02:42:40,210
release at all why talk about this at

3265
02:42:43,740 --> 02:42:40,359
all

3266
02:42:46,769 --> 02:42:43,750
you know why just wash it from the word

3267
02:42:48,269 --> 02:42:46,779
go take Brazel throw them into jail give

3268
02:42:51,059 --> 02:42:48,279
them some money get them out of the

3269
02:42:53,219 --> 02:42:51,069
picture they already started to squash

3270
02:42:54,960 --> 02:42:53,229
everything from the word go they turn

3271
02:42:58,099 --> 02:42:54,970
the press away and said nothing to see

3272
02:43:02,250 --> 02:42:58,109
here right and and and they Squatch why

3273
02:43:04,830 --> 02:43:02,260
attract attention to Roswell when all of

3274
02:43:05,910 --> 02:43:04,840
that secret stuff is going on now okay

3275
02:43:08,219 --> 02:43:05,920
so

3276
02:43:09,810 --> 02:43:08,229
you just discussed the the trust real

3277
02:43:13,590 --> 02:43:09,820
sight let me give you the other thing

3278
02:43:16,320 --> 02:43:13,600
and this is where this is for me this is

3279
02:43:18,840 --> 02:43:16,330
not going out on a limb this is where I

3280
02:43:21,300 --> 02:43:18,850
think that there's something probably

3281
02:43:25,110 --> 02:43:21,310
much more legit going on here which is

3282
02:43:28,800 --> 02:43:25,120
this et has been doing drive-bys here

3283
02:43:31,590 --> 02:43:28,810
for millions of years millions maybe a

3284
02:43:34,110 --> 02:43:31,600
billion years they know that Earth is

3285
02:43:37,500 --> 02:43:34,120
here thousands of civilizations out

3286
02:43:39,210 --> 02:43:37,510
there around our galaxy know about

3287
02:43:41,460 --> 02:43:39,220
planet Earth and they've known about it

3288
02:43:43,460 --> 02:43:41,470
for a long time right and so they're

3289
02:43:46,050 --> 02:43:43,470
doing drive-bys they've got they've got

3290
02:43:47,610 --> 02:43:46,060
probes and things in the monitoring

3291
02:43:49,679 --> 02:43:47,620
they're videoing and they're sending

3292
02:43:52,260 --> 02:43:49,689
back information okay humans are now

3293
02:43:55,140 --> 02:43:52,270
doing this and they got cars man check

3294
02:43:57,440 --> 02:43:55,150
this out they got cars right okay so

3295
02:44:01,590 --> 02:43:57,450
they're monitor and they find out about

3296
02:44:04,679 --> 02:44:01,600
nuclear stuff and now they're sending

3297
02:44:08,810 --> 02:44:04,689
probes and and and checking out where

3298
02:44:11,219 --> 02:44:08,820
the exact ground zero of everything

3299
02:44:15,600 --> 02:44:11,229
right Alma Gordo

3300
02:44:18,900 --> 02:44:15,610
White Sands the nuclear devices right

3301
02:44:21,300 --> 02:44:18,910
there why not that is way beyond

3302
02:44:24,090 --> 02:44:21,310
coincidence for me if you're going to

3303
02:44:26,130 --> 02:44:24,100
look at it like this and for the

3304
02:44:29,969 --> 02:44:26,140
government to come out and say that it

3305
02:44:32,790 --> 02:44:29,979
was a crashed disc I mean why do that

3306
02:44:37,770 --> 02:44:32,800
why when you have all of the secrecy

3307
02:44:41,219 --> 02:44:37,780
that is going on in Roswell I have you

3308
02:44:42,990 --> 02:44:41,229
been in Roswell I flown over it I had

3309
02:44:44,820 --> 02:44:43,000
flown over the Trinity site we've done a

3310
02:44:47,340 --> 02:44:44,830
lot of military exercises out in that

3311
02:44:49,770 --> 02:44:47,350
area okay come on flown over that whole

3312
02:44:52,920 --> 02:44:49,780
area so you know how small of a town

3313
02:44:54,750 --> 02:44:52,930
that is okay oh yeah it's very small

3314
02:44:58,050 --> 02:44:54,760
Katherine Illinois where it's out in the

3315
02:45:00,480 --> 02:44:58,060
middle of nowhere and that in tight when

3316
02:45:02,670 --> 02:45:00,490
you drive around that city there's one

3317
02:45:03,150 --> 02:45:02,680
thing that just keeps rolling over your

3318
02:45:07,429 --> 02:45:03,160
head

3319
02:45:13,020 --> 02:45:07,439
this was the technology center of

3320
02:45:18,200 --> 02:45:13,030
everything so you know back in 1945 44

3321
02:45:19,830 --> 02:45:18,210
through 47 48 49 50 what the what the

3322
02:45:22,050 --> 02:45:19,840
environment was like

3323
02:45:24,050 --> 02:45:22,060
there you didn't go into a coffee shop

3324
02:45:28,230 --> 02:45:24,060
and start talking about nuclear bombs

3325
02:45:31,250 --> 02:45:28,240
right you didn't do that everything was

3326
02:45:34,800 --> 02:45:31,260
in line out everything was in lockdown

3327
02:45:37,920 --> 02:45:34,810
right and no matter what that it was it

3328
02:45:40,950 --> 02:45:37,930
was pride it was the American Way were

3329
02:45:43,469 --> 02:45:40,960
in a in this crazy a technical

3330
02:45:46,980 --> 02:45:43,479
technology race with Russia going on at

3331
02:45:49,980 --> 02:45:46,990
that time it was it was insane right and

3332
02:45:53,099 --> 02:45:49,990
that's what Roswell was about so they

3333
02:45:55,980 --> 02:45:53,109
have this incident happened the way that

3334
02:45:58,770 --> 02:45:55,990
it did at that time in 1947 speaks

3335
02:46:01,980 --> 02:45:58,780
volumes about what the military said

3336
02:46:06,389 --> 02:46:01,990
about what happened and there's just no

3337
02:46:09,210 --> 02:46:06,399
way that they just let a press officer

3338
02:46:11,910 --> 02:46:09,220
write up a press release like that and

3339
02:46:14,370 --> 02:46:11,920
get it into the newspaper unless they it

3340
02:46:16,490 --> 02:46:14,380
was a the truth a B they wanted it there

3341
02:46:19,679 --> 02:46:16,500
to begin with it wasn't an accident it

3342
02:46:23,550 --> 02:46:19,689
wasn't a there's just no other way to

3343
02:46:26,340 --> 02:46:23,560
look at it this is it when and somebody

3344
02:46:27,929 --> 02:46:26,350
comes at me with this going oh come on

3345
02:46:29,969 --> 02:46:27,939
it was just a weather balloon it was a

3346
02:46:33,960 --> 02:46:29,979
cover it was just a weather balloon

3347
02:46:37,340 --> 02:46:33,970
this was Roswell nobody gets that this

3348
02:46:40,800 --> 02:46:37,350
is where all of the technology of

3349
02:46:43,889 --> 02:46:40,810
everything was concentrated it was all

3350
02:46:46,560 --> 02:46:43,899
there and secrecy the secrecy of the

3351
02:46:48,240 --> 02:46:46,570
military science education universities

3352
02:46:50,310 --> 02:46:48,250
everybody that was all the top

3353
02:46:53,460 --> 02:46:50,320
physicists every all the science

3354
02:46:56,849 --> 02:46:53,470
everything was focused right there so

3355
02:46:58,770 --> 02:46:56,859
that that is exactly the reason why all

3356
02:47:01,740 --> 02:46:58,780
of this plays out the way that I think

3357
02:47:04,469 --> 02:47:01,750
that it did it wasn't an accident that

3358
02:47:06,870 --> 02:47:04,479
that press release man Frankie that

3359
02:47:09,240 --> 02:47:06,880
press release was not an accident you

3360
02:47:12,450 --> 02:47:09,250
know I come from a military family and

3361
02:47:14,700 --> 02:47:12,460
and and my dad was a musician he wasn't

3362
02:47:17,070 --> 02:47:14,710
some you know top-secret guy with

3363
02:47:20,010 --> 02:47:17,080
top-secret clearances but I can tell you

3364
02:47:22,950 --> 02:47:20,020
how the military runs you go off base

3365
02:47:25,800 --> 02:47:22,960
and you go into civilian land right

3366
02:47:28,830 --> 02:47:25,810
where it's civilians and and normalcy

3367
02:47:32,490 --> 02:47:28,840
that's a different world on a military

3368
02:47:33,269 --> 02:47:32,500
base it is a military culture it's it's

3369
02:47:36,809 --> 02:47:33,279
the way

3370
02:47:38,849 --> 02:47:36,819
that it is I'm telling you you do not do

3371
02:47:41,819 --> 02:47:38,859
anything without being told what to do

3372
02:47:44,399 --> 02:47:41,829
and and that is double check and even

3373
02:47:46,739 --> 02:47:44,409
that is double check right that's the

3374
02:47:48,420 --> 02:47:46,749
way that it is well I don't there yeah I

3375
02:47:51,869 --> 02:47:48,430
realize what you're saying there I did

3376
02:47:55,139 --> 02:47:51,879
22 years in it so you know you know you

3377
02:48:01,769 --> 02:47:55,149
I mean could you ever do anything on

3378
02:48:04,229 --> 02:48:01,779
your own no oh no triple check ever you

3379
02:48:09,659 --> 02:48:04,239
know it's all about redundancy you know

3380
02:48:12,539 --> 02:48:09,669
and so I Roswell blows my mind I know

3381
02:48:15,319 --> 02:48:12,549
that the culture that is there and and

3382
02:48:18,449 --> 02:48:15,329
certainly what it was like back then

3383
02:48:21,630 --> 02:48:18,459
there it's it's it's something that just

3384
02:48:26,189 --> 02:48:21,640
wasn't I just want to say this very

3385
02:48:29,069 --> 02:48:26,199
openly you would not break the cone of

3386
02:48:30,989 --> 02:48:29,079
silence you would not be anti-american

3387
02:48:33,359 --> 02:48:30,999
you wouldn't do anything that was wrong

3388
02:48:36,199 --> 02:48:33,369
you would we just came off of World War

3389
02:48:40,109 --> 02:48:36,209
two just months before that man this was

3390
02:48:42,989 --> 02:48:40,119
1947 you know and it's it's just a way

3391
02:48:45,239 --> 02:48:42,999
that it was you know and today we lose

3392
02:48:47,250 --> 02:48:45,249
sight of all of that we're now

3393
02:48:49,769 --> 02:48:47,260
everything is anti-government everything

3394
02:48:52,019 --> 02:48:49,779
is anti military everything is a protest

3395
02:48:55,050 --> 02:48:52,029
as it should be but that's the way it is

3396
02:48:57,599 --> 02:48:55,060
now it wasn't that way back then it was

3397
02:49:00,539 --> 02:48:57,609
a different world it got a quick

3398
02:49:04,380 --> 02:49:00,549
question for you sure when we're going

3399
02:49:05,909 --> 02:49:04,390
to get update on Mount Adams ah well

3400
02:49:09,300 --> 02:49:05,919
there's a couple of uh there's a couple

3401
02:49:12,239 --> 02:49:09,310
of things going on there james gilliland

3402
02:49:14,479 --> 02:49:12,249
just got a read uncle Asst telescope I

3403
02:49:16,710 --> 02:49:14,489
don't know if you've seen it but he just

3404
02:49:19,889 --> 02:49:16,720
texted me pictures of it this thing is

3405
02:49:21,389 --> 02:49:19,899
the size of a small bus so that thing is

3406
02:49:23,340 --> 02:49:21,399
sitting out there now yeah it's pretty

3407
02:49:25,800 --> 02:49:23,350
big it's like two feet in diameter maybe

3408
02:49:27,619 --> 02:49:25,810
I don't know six eight feet long it's

3409
02:49:29,819 --> 02:49:27,629
huge it's huge

3410
02:49:31,380 --> 02:49:29,829
so that's sitting out there and they're

3411
02:49:33,719 --> 02:49:31,390
looking at the mountain I don't want to

3412
02:49:35,390 --> 02:49:33,729
comment further on that I do know that

3413
02:49:42,261 --> 02:49:35,400
our

3414
02:49:47,211 --> 02:49:42,271
little hiking expedition up there in

3415
02:49:48,860 --> 02:49:47,221
about 30 days I think there's four of

3416
02:49:50,660 --> 02:49:48,870
our friends are going up I don't want to

3417
02:49:52,881 --> 02:49:50,670
drop names right now I'll say Brad

3418
02:49:54,470 --> 02:49:52,891
because he's public but so they're all

3419
02:49:57,921 --> 02:49:54,480
going to go up there

3420
02:50:00,770 --> 02:49:57,931
the okay well also we met with Mike

3421
02:50:03,230 --> 02:50:00,780
Barrow over the weekend at the scene

3422
02:50:06,320 --> 02:50:03,240
George Noory up there at Everett out of

3423
02:50:09,671 --> 02:50:06,330
that and how did that go oh that was

3424
02:50:11,990 --> 02:50:09,681
awesome we loved it good Mike Lee and uh

3425
02:50:13,700 --> 02:50:12,000
they might behave yeah the only thing

3426
02:50:15,650 --> 02:50:13,710
he's mentioned when I asked him about

3427
02:50:17,841 --> 02:50:15,660
what he thought he says all he wants to

3428
02:50:20,121 --> 02:50:17,851
do is see you climb that mountain yeah

3429
02:50:25,310 --> 02:50:20,131
yeah because he wants to see me fall off

3430
02:50:27,230 --> 02:50:25,320
of it see that's a deal but Mike note

3431
02:50:30,980 --> 02:50:27,240
Mike and I are the same age he knows

3432
02:50:35,030 --> 02:50:30,990
that the the odds of me hiking Mount

3433
02:50:37,461 --> 02:50:35,040
Adams are similar to his hiking Mount

3434
02:50:40,341 --> 02:50:37,471
Adams and the closest thing that Mike

3435
02:50:44,150 --> 02:50:40,351
would get to Mike out to to Mount Adams

3436
02:50:47,001 --> 02:50:44,160
is the closest strip bar that's as close

3437
02:50:50,270 --> 02:50:47,011
as you know that that wouldn't be Trout

3438
02:50:55,251 --> 02:50:50,280
Lake then wouldn't be proudly know and

3439
02:50:57,980 --> 02:50:55,261
and and Mike is right I mean the I would

3440
02:50:59,900 --> 02:50:57,990
love I would love to be able to to hike

3441
02:51:02,690 --> 02:50:59,910
up there or you know just jump in a

3442
02:51:06,081 --> 02:51:02,700
helicopter in a helicopter goes too

3443
02:51:09,020 --> 02:51:06,091
windy but I would like any of us to go

3444
02:51:10,761 --> 02:51:09,030
up there we kid we joke you know of

3445
02:51:14,421 --> 02:51:10,771
course we would like to get to the

3446
02:51:16,131 --> 02:51:14,431
bottom of this hiking up there I've

3447
02:51:18,621 --> 02:51:16,141
gotten a bunch of email by the way from

3448
02:51:20,480 --> 02:51:18,631
people that have we keep saying hike

3449
02:51:23,331 --> 02:51:20,490
it's not a hike it's a mountain climb

3450
02:51:25,160 --> 02:51:23,341
okay there is no hiking you don't just

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02:51:27,230 --> 02:51:25,170
pack a couple of sandwiches and a bag of

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02:51:29,331 --> 02:51:27,240
Cheetos and and head up the side of the

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02:51:31,131 --> 02:51:29,341
hill like you're you know walking

3454
02:51:35,841 --> 02:51:31,141
through your backyard that's not the

3455
02:51:39,291 --> 02:51:35,851
case here now there is an easier way up

3456
02:51:41,060 --> 02:51:39,301
the mountain up up the east side which

3457
02:51:43,751 --> 02:51:41,070
is a common trail you go up to heroes

3458
02:51:46,341 --> 02:51:43,761
camp I've heard I've gotten different

3459
02:51:47,900 --> 02:51:46,351
conflicting stories on this that it has

3460
02:51:48,950 --> 02:51:47,910
been closed down there's been a couple

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02:51:52,460 --> 02:51:48,960
of deaths and they'd

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02:51:55,010 --> 02:51:52,470
allow that anymore I've had gotten email

3463
02:51:58,250 --> 02:51:55,020
saying that it is open and you can go up

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02:52:02,540 --> 02:51:58,260
there at certain times of the year I've

3465
02:52:04,810 --> 02:52:02,550
heard that nothing official but the side

3466
02:52:08,330 --> 02:52:04,820
of the mountain on the west side of

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02:52:10,910 --> 02:52:08,340
where this opening is that is not this

3468
02:52:15,320 --> 02:52:10,920
height that you take up on the east side

3469
02:52:18,260 --> 02:52:15,330
this is straight up a glacier ice face

3470
02:52:20,960 --> 02:52:18,270
cliff that is a professional mountain

3471
02:52:24,530 --> 02:52:20,970
climb that is done by dudes that go to

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02:52:26,870 --> 02:52:24,540
Everest and I do believe that that side

3473
02:52:28,790 --> 02:52:26,880
of the mountain you can't climb it they

3474
02:52:30,800 --> 02:52:28,800
don't there is no climbing on that side

3475
02:52:32,780 --> 02:52:30,810
of the mountain only on the other side

3476
02:52:35,000 --> 02:52:32,790
okay well so I don't know yet that would

3477
02:52:38,420 --> 02:52:35,010
be no more discussion for when we meet

3478
02:52:40,340 --> 02:52:38,430
up there for fade to black up there to

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02:52:44,210 --> 02:52:40,350
ISA D yeah that retreats going to be a

3480
02:52:47,090 --> 02:52:44,220
lot of fun but see let me ask you this

3481
02:52:49,070 --> 02:52:47,100
what you looked at the front of that you

3482
02:52:50,900 --> 02:52:49,080
discovered everybody I want everybody to

3483
02:52:53,180 --> 02:52:50,910
understand who's talking you this is the

3484
02:52:54,650 --> 02:52:53,190
man that discovered the entrance on the

3485
02:52:56,600 --> 02:52:54,660
top of Mount Adams that's who we're

3486
02:52:58,160 --> 02:52:56,610
speaking to right now and the world

3487
02:53:00,530 --> 02:52:58,170
thanks you for that I think you got like

3488
02:53:03,170 --> 02:53:00,540
a half a million views dude on YouTube

3489
02:53:06,650 --> 02:53:03,180
you gotta love that right who is this

3490
02:53:09,800 --> 02:53:06,660
you look at the mountain enough do you

3491
02:53:11,810 --> 02:53:09,810
think that even if you hiked up the east

3492
02:53:14,180 --> 02:53:11,820
side of the mountain and made it up

3493
02:53:16,850 --> 02:53:14,190
there that you would be able to see

3494
02:53:19,460 --> 02:53:16,860
around the corner to where this face is

3495
02:53:22,130 --> 02:53:19,470
where the entrance is I'm not so sure I

3496
02:53:23,750 --> 02:53:22,140
don't I don't think so the potato really

3497
02:53:25,490 --> 02:53:23,760
it's just the way the angle of

3498
02:53:28,160 --> 02:53:25,500
everything is and plus the only way you

3499
02:53:30,590 --> 02:53:28,170
could really see is to hike to the very

3500
02:53:33,710 --> 02:53:30,600
top to that peak and then rappel down

3501
02:53:36,080 --> 02:53:33,720
and rappel down now the the logistics

3502
02:53:38,960 --> 02:53:36,090
and the safety factor just out would be

3503
02:53:42,110 --> 02:53:38,970
outrageous yeah when I look at it on on

3504
02:53:44,719 --> 02:53:42,120
satellite on Google satellite going up

3505
02:53:47,060 --> 02:53:44,729
the east side you had that peak in the

3506
02:53:49,460 --> 02:53:47,070
middle and so you get up there you can't

3507
02:53:51,469 --> 02:53:49,470
just look you have a mountain in the way

3508
02:53:53,570 --> 02:53:51,479
that is blocking you from the peak that

3509
02:53:56,270 --> 02:53:53,580
is over on the west side where this

3510
02:53:59,480 --> 02:53:56,280
entrance is for this cave or tunnel or

3511
02:54:02,210 --> 02:53:59,490
whatever we're calling it these days so

3512
02:54:02,870 --> 02:54:02,220
I'm not even sure if Brad when he gets

3513
02:54:04,550 --> 02:54:02,880
up there that

3514
02:54:06,620 --> 02:54:04,560
you'll be able to see anything but it's

3515
02:54:07,850 --> 02:54:06,630
going to be cool and let's see let's see

3516
02:54:09,400 --> 02:54:07,860
what they find out I think they're going

3517
02:54:11,870 --> 02:54:09,410
to do it in about 30 days

3518
02:54:13,250 --> 02:54:11,880
okay well also I can do a little

3519
02:54:15,770 --> 02:54:13,260
research about maybe getting a

3520
02:54:16,639 --> 02:54:15,780
helicopter too I know a few people yeah

3521
02:54:19,150 --> 02:54:16,649
there you go

3522
02:54:21,469 --> 02:54:19,160
you're the pilot Thank You Frankie

3523
02:54:23,389 --> 02:54:21,479
you're welcome you have a good night

3524
02:54:25,000 --> 02:54:23,399
thanks for the chat yeah give my best to

3525
02:54:30,230 --> 02:54:25,010
the family thank you so much

3526
02:54:32,660 --> 02:54:30,240
look oh I ain't that but that happens

3527
02:54:34,370 --> 02:54:32,670
sorry about that Frankie check this out

3528
02:54:36,110 --> 02:54:34,380
I've got a couple of minutes here I got

3529
02:54:38,870 --> 02:54:36,120
to get these stories and Panasonic is

3530
02:54:42,350 --> 02:54:38,880
using artificial intelligence to detect

3531
02:54:45,830 --> 02:54:42,360
when you are drowsy when you are driving

3532
02:54:47,900 --> 02:54:45,840
in a car yes the tech includes an

3533
02:54:50,719 --> 02:54:47,910
infrared sensor environment sensor

3534
02:54:52,790 --> 02:54:50,729
facial capture camera and a thermal

3535
02:54:55,690 --> 02:54:52,800
sensation system that activates the

3536
02:54:57,679 --> 02:54:55,700
car's AC or alarms if all else fails

3537
02:55:00,590 --> 02:54:57,689
panasonic came up with five different

3538
02:55:03,020 --> 02:55:00,600
levels of potential drowsiness not

3539
02:55:06,020 --> 02:55:03,030
drowsy at all slightly drowsy drowsy

3540
02:55:08,300 --> 02:55:06,030
very drowsy and seriously drowsy those

3541
02:55:10,639 --> 02:55:08,310
are their terms the system aims to

3542
02:55:13,000 --> 02:55:10,649
figure out exactly where you are on that

3543
02:55:16,580 --> 02:55:13,010
scale and take the appropriate measures

3544
02:55:19,370 --> 02:55:16,590
to do so the camera uses AI facial

3545
02:55:21,500 --> 02:55:19,380
recognition to detect when your your

3546
02:55:24,320 --> 02:55:21,510
your eyelids are starting to Sag and

3547
02:55:27,530 --> 02:55:24,330
your facial expressions if your eyelids

3548
02:55:30,110 --> 02:55:27,540
droop at the speed and the speed of your

3549
02:55:32,300 --> 02:55:30,120
blinks slow down drastically for

3550
02:55:36,200 --> 02:55:32,310
instance you're likely on the level-5

3551
02:55:38,810 --> 02:55:36,210
journey to sleep evil all told it can

3552
02:55:41,380 --> 02:55:38,820
detect around 1,800 facial expressions

3553
02:55:45,889 --> 02:55:41,390
and blink parameters related to

3554
02:55:48,980 --> 02:55:45,899
drowsiness AI is coming to a car near

3555
02:55:51,770 --> 02:55:48,990
you now Porto Rico is pinning its future

3556
02:55:54,230 --> 02:55:51,780
on medical marijuana production to lift

3557
02:55:57,230 --> 02:55:54,240
it out of its dire straits of their

3558
02:55:59,870 --> 02:55:57,240
financial crisis that's right there were

3559
02:56:02,360 --> 02:55:59,880
over seventy billion dollars in debt

3560
02:56:04,760 --> 02:56:02,370
right now and Puerto Rico's new governor

3561
02:56:06,980 --> 02:56:04,770
legalized medical marijuana by decree

3562
02:56:09,679 --> 02:56:06,990
two years ago Democratic governor

3563
02:56:12,170 --> 02:56:09,689
Ricardo Rosello signed a measure last

3564
02:56:15,290 --> 02:56:12,180
month which legalizes of regulates the

3565
02:56:16,761 --> 02:56:15,300
plant for medicinal use the islands

3566
02:56:18,140 --> 02:56:16,771
Treasury secretary

3567
02:56:21,140 --> 02:56:18,150
estimated that the industry could

3568
02:56:23,600 --> 02:56:21,150
generate up to 100 million dollars a

3569
02:56:27,140 --> 02:56:23,610
year and helped cut Porto Rico's

3570
02:56:31,190 --> 02:56:27,150
unemployment rate presently around 12

3571
02:56:33,381 --> 02:56:31,200
percent and that will conclude another

3572
02:56:34,820 --> 02:56:33,391
episode of fade to black I do have to

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02:56:37,491 --> 02:56:34,830
thank Don Schmitt he's one of my

3574
02:56:42,110 --> 02:56:37,501
favorite guests that come on this show

3575
02:56:46,220 --> 02:56:42,120
and tonight having one of our friends to

3576
02:56:49,430 --> 02:56:46,230
part this planet like Jim Marrs and for

3577
02:56:52,310 --> 02:56:49,440
Don to come in on the show tonight was

3578
02:56:54,890 --> 02:56:52,320
really really cool tomorrow night we are

3579
02:56:57,860 --> 02:56:54,900
going to do a Jim Mar special event

3580
02:57:02,180 --> 02:56:57,870
right here and we're able to do it how

3581
02:57:04,430 --> 02:57:02,190
cool is this on our 700th show so

3582
02:57:07,491 --> 02:57:04,440
that'll be tomorrow night we'll have all

3583
02:57:09,320 --> 02:57:07,501
of the best of Jim Marrs moments we'll

3584
02:57:11,631 --> 02:57:09,330
be doing that we're going to get a bunch

3585
02:57:12,470 --> 02:57:11,641
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3586
02:57:14,871 --> 02:57:12,480
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3587
02:57:17,541 --> 02:57:14,881
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02:57:18,470 --> 02:57:17,551
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02:57:21,020 --> 02:57:18,480
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3590
02:57:23,961 --> 02:57:21,030
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02:57:25,371 --> 02:57:23,971
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02:57:27,770 --> 02:57:25,381
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